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The US administration is, at present, regularly violating the law and ignoring court orders. Indeed, these very releases are patently in violation of multiple

by ISL 8mo ago

The US administration is, at present, regularly violating the law and ignoring court orders. Indeed, these very releases are patently in violation of multiple federal laws -- they're simultaneously insufficiently-responsive to meet the requirements of the law requiring the release of the files and fall afoul of CSAM laws by being incompletely redacted. The challenge, as we're all experiencing together, is that the law is not inherently self-enforcing.

typeofhuman 8mo ago
Can you provide a couple examples of the laws they're violating?
- mschuster91 8mo ago
  There's more than enough credible reports of CSAM in the Epstein Files dump - more than enough for me to not go and download even a single file of them myself, simply because German law does not care about why you are in the possession of CSAM, even if you took the picture yourself. The legal situation regarding CSAM is very strict no matter which country, and I better hope no one here will actually be dumb enough to provide actual links.
  - direwolf20 8mo ago
    Use encryption > even if you took the picture yourself. I'd hope the punishment is more severe in that case!
    - simonh 8mo ago
      It's a tricky issue. In many countries it's not illegal and quite common for children to run around naked in public, during the summer on beaches for example, and so millions of people have holiday photos that are technically CSAM in their possession that they don't even know they have.
      - direwolf20 8mo ago
        CSAM must be for sexual gratification usually. A medical anatomy textbook isn't CSAM.
        woooooo 8mo ago
        And now you're in court strenuously arguing that you weren't sexually gratified by the photo of your kid in the tub. Obviously most people are sensible most of the time but sometimes they are not.
        chrisjj 8mo ago
        More than that. CSAM is evidence of abuse. Hence the "A". And nudity is not required.
        direwolf20 8mo ago
        CSAM has a meaning identical to child porn but doesn't make that meaning explicit. Drawn or generated depictions of child nudity can be considered CSAM in some jurisdictions.
        mschuster91 8mo ago
        Yep. Germany is very very strict for example. Even textual descriptions fall under that law.
        chrisjj 8mo ago
        "CSAM isn’t pornography—it’s evidence of criminal exploitation of kids." That's from RAINN, the US's largest anti-sexual violence organisation.
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    - mschuster91 8mo ago
      > I'd hope the punishment is more severe in that case! I'm talking about kids making photos of themselves. Which has been an issue multiple times in the past.
  - chrisjj 8mo ago
    If those reports are true then what we have is not just an effective deterrent for download and distribution of the set, but legally prosecutable malware targetting anyone who does, empowered by the Interpol CSAM database to which the DOJ should probably already released the offending material.
  - subscribed 8mo ago
    That might be intentional tbh, to make the database toxic to limit the spread.
- ISL 8mo ago
  As noted above: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-119publ38/pdf/PLAW-119publ38.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-119publ38/pdf/PLAW-... : the Attorney General was to have produced the entirety of the Epstein files, with very narrowly-enumerated redactions, in December. She has not done so. Furthermore, there are numerous allegations that the documents that have been released contain CSAM, which (referencing the PDF above) may fall afoul of 18 U.S.C. 2252–2252A. In addition, one need only glance at the action in US courts to see egregious violations of the Constitution and valid court orders playing out daily. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26513988-trorder012826/ https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26513988-trorder0128... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230969/gov.uscourts.mnd.230969.29.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230...
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  - typeofhuman 8mo ago
    Allegations aren't evidence. Has the Administration actually been found guilty of violating the law - if that is even possible.
    - jcranmer 8mo ago
      Yes, the Abrego Garcia and Öztürk detentions are two very newsworthy cases that have actually reached the point of a final judgement in the district courts, as opposed to "merely" preliminary injunctions against the government. (It's also worth noting that almost none of the government's appeals to their losses in preliminary injunctions have been on the merits as to whether or not their actions were legal, but rather on the grounds of "no one should be allowed to challenge our actions," which has also been a fairly losing argument for everybody except SCOTUS.)
    - rockskon 8mo ago
      Evidence is evidence - of which there are enormous amounts of.
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- roywiggins 8mo ago
  How about court orders? https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/ice-violations-judge-statement-twin-cities-texas-immigration https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/ice-violations-judge-... > ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence," Schiltz said, adding that he counted 96 court orders that ICE has violated in 74 cases. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/frustrations-from-judge-prosecutor-minnesota-boil-over-amid-trump-ice-surge/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/frustrations-from-judge-prosecu...
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    - roywiggins 8mo ago
      "Allegations" from the exact judges whose orders aren't being enacted? The orders in question are pretty simple: release this guy. Don't take this guy out of state. It's pretty clear when they're not being followed. This guy is not a slouch: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/27/patrick-schiltz-judge-minneapolis-ice-00750030 https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/27/patrick-schiltz-jud... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230171/gov.uscourts.mnd.230171.10.0_2.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230171/gov.uscourts.mnd.230171.10.1_2.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230... Did you notice that one article I linked involved a DoJ lawyer admitting that she couldn't convince ICE to obey court orders that she was trying to transmit to them? That's beyond an allegation and into admission. How is that not evidence? More on these ignored court orders: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/28/ice-illegally-detaining-moving-minnesota-children-to-texas-faster-than-courts-can-respond https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/28/ice-illegally-detai...
      - roywiggins 8mo ago
- mikeyouse 8mo ago
  They illegally fired the IGs responsible for whistleblowers and fraud in every department; https://www.nycbar.org/press-releases/firings-of-inspectors-general-are-illegal-and-invalid/ https://www.nycbar.org/press-releases/firings-of-inspectors-... They illegally withheld funds (impoundment) from congressionally authorized/mandated expenditures and relied on pocket rescissions to defund programs they didn't like: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/pocket-rescissions-are-illegal https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/pocket-rescissi... They keep illegally appointing unqualified hacks as US attorney in defiance of the mandate they're approved by the Senate (Essayli, Habba, Halligan, Sarcone, Chattah) - judges have found at least five of the appointments illegal. As one example: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/judge-los-angeles-top-federal-prosecutor-illegally-appointed-00626804 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/judge-los-angeles-t... They've repeatedly violated court orders to either return immigrant detainees or release them. "This is one of dozens of court orders with which respondents have failed to comply in recent weeks.": https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/27/politics/patrick-schiltz-judge-minneapolis-trump https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/27/politics/patrick-schiltz-judg... The EPA illegally convened a secret panel of climate deniers to issue a sham report in order to repeal the endangerment finding: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/climate/energy-department-climate-ruling.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/climate/energy-department... His targeting and shakedowns of Universities, law firms, and media companies is transparently illegal jawboning. Everything about the tariffs is obviously illegal which he confirms every time he opens his mouth since he's relying on 'national security' justifications to issue them without Congress and he keeps insisting they're punishment for some random perceived slight. His illegal firing of Federal workers without the notice required: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/25/nx-s1-5544317/federal-probationary-employees-firing-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/09/25/nx-s1-5544317/federal-probati... Some sillier things like renaming the Kennedy Center -- the law that established it literally said that it couldn't be renamed without Congress -- so Trump firing everyone on the board and then appointing a bunch of his flunkees to vote for the name change doesn't cut it.. https://beatty.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/beatty.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/kennedycenter.pdf https://beatty.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/beatty.house.gov... It's a literal onslaught of illegality so I can't tell if you haven't read a news article since 2025 or if you're trolling.
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by ISL 8mo ago

typeofhuman 8mo ago

Can you provide a couple examples of the laws they're violating?

mschuster91 8mo ago
There's more than enough credible reports of CSAM in the Epstein Files dump - more than enough for me to not go and download even a single file of them myself, simply because German law does not care about why you are in the possession of CSAM, even if you took the picture yourself. The legal situation regarding CSAM is very strict no matter which country, and I better hope no one here will actually be dumb enough to provide actual links.
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  Use encryption > even if you took the picture yourself. I'd hope the punishment is more severe in that case!
  - simonh 8mo ago
    It's a tricky issue. In many countries it's not illegal and quite common for children to run around naked in public, during the summer on beaches for example, and so millions of people have holiday photos that are technically CSAM in their possession that they don't even know they have.
    - direwolf20 8mo ago
      CSAM must be for sexual gratification usually. A medical anatomy textbook isn't CSAM.
      - woooooo 8mo ago
        And now you're in court strenuously arguing that you weren't sexually gratified by the photo of your kid in the tub. Obviously most people are sensible most of the time but sometimes they are not.
      - chrisjj 8mo ago
        More than that. CSAM is evidence of abuse. Hence the "A". And nudity is not required.
        direwolf20 8mo ago
        CSAM has a meaning identical to child porn but doesn't make that meaning explicit. Drawn or generated depictions of child nudity can be considered CSAM in some jurisdictions.
        mschuster91 8mo ago
        Yep. Germany is very very strict for example. Even textual descriptions fall under that law.
        chrisjj 8mo ago
        "CSAM isn’t pornography—it’s evidence of criminal exploitation of kids." That's from RAINN, the US's largest anti-sexual violence organisation.
      - deleted 8mo ago
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  - mschuster91 8mo ago
    > I'd hope the punishment is more severe in that case! I'm talking about kids making photos of themselves. Which has been an issue multiple times in the past.
- chrisjj 8mo ago
  If those reports are true then what we have is not just an effective deterrent for download and distribution of the set, but legally prosecutable malware targetting anyone who does, empowered by the Interpol CSAM database to which the DOJ should probably already released the offending material.
- subscribed 8mo ago
  That might be intentional tbh, to make the database toxic to limit the spread.
ISL 8mo ago
As noted above: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-119publ38/pdf/PLAW-119publ38.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-119publ38/pdf/PLAW-... : the Attorney General was to have produced the entirety of the Epstein files, with very narrowly-enumerated redactions, in December. She has not done so. Furthermore, there are numerous allegations that the documents that have been released contain CSAM, which (referencing the PDF above) may fall afoul of 18 U.S.C. 2252–2252A. In addition, one need only glance at the action in US courts to see egregious violations of the Constitution and valid court orders playing out daily. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26513988-trorder012826/ https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26513988-trorder0128... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230969/gov.uscourts.mnd.230969.29.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230...
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- typeofhuman 8mo ago
  Allegations aren't evidence. Has the Administration actually been found guilty of violating the law - if that is even possible.
  - jcranmer 8mo ago
    Yes, the Abrego Garcia and Öztürk detentions are two very newsworthy cases that have actually reached the point of a final judgement in the district courts, as opposed to "merely" preliminary injunctions against the government. (It's also worth noting that almost none of the government's appeals to their losses in preliminary injunctions have been on the merits as to whether or not their actions were legal, but rather on the grounds of "no one should be allowed to challenge our actions," which has also been a fairly losing argument for everybody except SCOTUS.)
  - rockskon 8mo ago
    Evidence is evidence - of which there are enormous amounts of.
  - 8mo ago
roywiggins 8mo ago
How about court orders? https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/ice-violations-judge-statement-twin-cities-texas-immigration https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/ice-violations-judge-... > ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence," Schiltz said, adding that he counted 96 court orders that ICE has violated in 74 cases. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/frustrations-from-judge-prosecutor-minnesota-boil-over-amid-trump-ice-surge/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/frustrations-from-judge-prosecu...
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- typeofhuman 8mo ago
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  - roywiggins 8mo ago
    "Allegations" from the exact judges whose orders aren't being enacted? The orders in question are pretty simple: release this guy. Don't take this guy out of state. It's pretty clear when they're not being followed. This guy is not a slouch: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/27/patrick-schiltz-judge-minneapolis-ice-00750030 https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/27/patrick-schiltz-jud... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230171/gov.uscourts.mnd.230171.10.0_2.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230171/gov.uscourts.mnd.230171.10.1_2.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230... Did you notice that one article I linked involved a DoJ lawyer admitting that she couldn't convince ICE to obey court orders that she was trying to transmit to them? That's beyond an allegation and into admission. How is that not evidence? More on these ignored court orders: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/28/ice-illegally-detaining-moving-minnesota-children-to-texas-faster-than-courts-can-respond https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/28/ice-illegally-detai...
    - roywiggins 8mo ago
mikeyouse 8mo ago
They illegally fired the IGs responsible for whistleblowers and fraud in every department; https://www.nycbar.org/press-releases/firings-of-inspectors-general-are-illegal-and-invalid/ https://www.nycbar.org/press-releases/firings-of-inspectors-... They illegally withheld funds (impoundment) from congressionally authorized/mandated expenditures and relied on pocket rescissions to defund programs they didn't like: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/pocket-rescissions-are-illegal https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/pocket-rescissi... They keep illegally appointing unqualified hacks as US attorney in defiance of the mandate they're approved by the Senate (Essayli, Habba, Halligan, Sarcone, Chattah) - judges have found at least five of the appointments illegal. As one example: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/judge-los-angeles-top-federal-prosecutor-illegally-appointed-00626804 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/28/judge-los-angeles-t... They've repeatedly violated court orders to either return immigrant detainees or release them. "This is one of dozens of court orders with which respondents have failed to comply in recent weeks.": https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/27/politics/patrick-schiltz-judge-minneapolis-trump https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/27/politics/patrick-schiltz-judg... The EPA illegally convened a secret panel of climate deniers to issue a sham report in order to repeal the endangerment finding: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/climate/energy-department-climate-ruling.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/climate/energy-department... His targeting and shakedowns of Universities, law firms, and media companies is transparently illegal jawboning. Everything about the tariffs is obviously illegal which he confirms every time he opens his mouth since he's relying on 'national security' justifications to issue them without Congress and he keeps insisting they're punishment for some random perceived slight. His illegal firing of Federal workers without the notice required: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/25/nx-s1-5544317/federal-probationary-employees-firing-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/09/25/nx-s1-5544317/federal-probati... Some sillier things like renaming the Kennedy Center -- the law that established it literally said that it couldn't be renamed without Congress -- so Trump firing everyone on the board and then appointing a bunch of his flunkees to vote for the name change doesn't cut it.. https://beatty.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/beatty.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/kennedycenter.pdf https://beatty.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/beatty.house.gov... It's a literal onslaught of illegality so I can't tell if you haven't read a news article since 2025 or if you're trolling.
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