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This seems like a pretty reasonable approach that charts a course between skepticism and "it's a miracle". I wonder how much all this costs on a monthly basis?

by davidw 8mo ago

tptacek 8mo ago
As long as we're on the same page that what he's describing is itself a miracle.
- 12_throw_away 8mo ago
  Take your religion somewhere else please.
- latexr 8mo ago
  It’s not. A miracle is “an event that is inexplicable by natural or scientific laws and accordingly gets attributed to some supernatural or preternatural cause”. Could we please stop trivialising and ignoring the meaning of words?
  - mbesto 8mo ago
    The word miracle itself is hyperbolic in nature...it's meant to enchant and not to be used literal or concretely. No need to be pedantic here, there is a large cohort of the population that seemingly never thought a robot would be able to write usable code ("inexplicable by natural or scientific laws") and now here we are seeing that happen ("hey this must be preternatural! there is no other explanation")
probably_wrong 8mo ago
The comment by user senko [1] links to a post from this same author with an example for a specific coding session that costs $15.98 for 8 hours of work. The example in this post talks about leaving agents running overnight, in which case I'd guess "twice that amount" would be a reasonable approximation. Or if we assume that the OP can only do 4 hours per sitting (mentioned in the other post) and 8 hours of overnight agents then it would come down to $15.98 * 1.5 * 20 = $497,40 a month (without weekends). [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46905872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46905872
- jplusequalt 8mo ago
  >$15.98 * 1.5 * 20 = $497,40 a month Are people seriously dropping hundreds of dollars a month on these products to get their work done?
  - jon_north 8mo ago
    If you make 10k/mo -- which is not that much!, $500 is 5% of revenue. All else held equal, if that helps you go 20% faster, it's an absolute no brainer. The question is.. does it actually help you do that, or do you go 0% faster? Or 5% slower? Inquiring minds want to know.
    - jplusequalt 8mo ago
      >If you make 10k/mo -- which is not that much!, This is the sort of statement that immediately tells me this forum is disconnected from the real world. ~80% of full time workers in the US make less than $10k a month before tax. Source: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/
      - jon_north 8mo ago
        And yet, the average salary of an IT worker in the US is somewhere between 104 and 110k. Since we're discussing coders here, and IT workers tend to be at the lower end of that, maybe there is some context you didn't consider?
        jplusequalt 8mo ago
        >And yet, the average salary of an IT worker in the US is somewhere between 104 and 110k. After tax that's like 8% of your take home pay. I don't know why it's unreasonable to scoff at having to pay that much to get the most out of these tools. >maybe there is some context you didn't consider? The context is that the average poster on HN has no idea how hard the real world is as they work really high paying jobs. To make a statement that "$10k a month is not a lot" makes you sound out of touch.

This seems like a pretty reasonable approach that charts a course between skepticism and "it's a miracle". I wonder how much all this costs on a monthly basis?

by davidw 8mo ago

This seems like a pretty reasonable approach that charts a course between skepticism and "it's a miracle". I wonder how much all this costs on a monthly basis?

tptacek 8mo ago

As long as we're on the same page that what he's describing is itself a miracle.

12_throw_away 8mo ago
Take your religion somewhere else please.
latexr 8mo ago
It’s not. A miracle is “an event that is inexplicable by natural or scientific laws and accordingly gets attributed to some supernatural or preternatural cause”. Could we please stop trivialising and ignoring the meaning of words?
- mbesto 8mo ago
  The word miracle itself is hyperbolic in nature...it's meant to enchant and not to be used literal or concretely. No need to be pedantic here, there is a large cohort of the population that seemingly never thought a robot would be able to write usable code ("inexplicable by natural or scientific laws") and now here we are seeing that happen ("hey this must be preternatural! there is no other explanation")

probably_wrong 8mo ago

The comment by user senko [1] links to a post from this same author with an example for a specific coding session that costs $15.98 for 8 hours of work. The example in this post talks about leaving agents running overnight, in which case I'd guess "twice that amount" would be a reasonable approximation. Or if we assume that the OP can only do 4 hours per sitting (mentioned in the other post) and 8 hours of overnight agents then it would come down to $15.98 * 1.5 * 20 = $497,40 a month (without weekends). [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46905872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46905872

jplusequalt 8mo ago
>$15.98 * 1.5 * 20 = $497,40 a month Are people seriously dropping hundreds of dollars a month on these products to get their work done?
- jon_north 8mo ago
  If you make 10k/mo -- which is not that much!, $500 is 5% of revenue. All else held equal, if that helps you go 20% faster, it's an absolute no brainer. The question is.. does it actually help you do that, or do you go 0% faster? Or 5% slower? Inquiring minds want to know.
  - jplusequalt 8mo ago
    >If you make 10k/mo -- which is not that much!, This is the sort of statement that immediately tells me this forum is disconnected from the real world. ~80% of full time workers in the US make less than $10k a month before tax. Source: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/
    - jon_north 8mo ago
      And yet, the average salary of an IT worker in the US is somewhere between 104 and 110k. Since we're discussing coders here, and IT workers tend to be at the lower end of that, maybe there is some context you didn't consider?
      - jplusequalt 8mo ago
        >And yet, the average salary of an IT worker in the US is somewhere between 104 and 110k. After tax that's like 8% of your take home pay. I don't know why it's unreasonable to scoff at having to pay that much to get the most out of these tools. >maybe there is some context you didn't consider? The context is that the average poster on HN has no idea how hard the real world is as they work really high paying jobs. To make a statement that "$10k a month is not a lot" makes you sound out of touch.