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As a matter of fact, nothing even comes close to the balance of stability, backwards compatibility, consistency, robustness and flexibility that Windows offers.

by WayneDB 14y ago

As a matter of fact, nothing even comes close to the balance of stability, backwards compatibility, consistency, robustness and flexibility that Windows offers. What do you think is better and why? Perhaps "better" should be defined. I certainly don't think that shiny is better. I prefer utilitarian and flexible interfaces. Windows fits that bill swimmingly and I think most businesses would agree because I don't see many of them using anything else outside of Google.

lelandbatey 14y ago
I realize this isn't exactly what you asked for, but my personal opinion in terms of straight up window management is a solid tiling window manager like dwm or xmonad. The Windows WM adds a bit to much shine to windows (for me) and doesn't have the efficiency that I love with tiling window managers. Mostly the ability to have everything I want viewable at once, along with keyboard commands to manage everything, is what makes tiling window managers so awesome for me. Having said that, I do recognize that it's only this way for me. For many people, the default Windows WM provides plenty of power and flexibility to be awesome.
- ehsanu1 14y ago
  nothing even comes close to the balance of stability, backwards compatibility, consistency, robustness and flexibility I was going to suggest XMonad as well, in response to this. Seriously, try it if you're using Linux.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
I'll ask you the same thing, how? How is it "better"? It has a feature? Waving your hands around and laundry listing things without any explanation is wildly unconvincing. You like utilitarian and flexible and you're really sitting there telling me Windows is the sweet spot for that? Are you being intentionally ironic? That's the posterboy slogan for Linux if I've ever heard it. I guarantee there's no way that the Windows WM is "more flexible" than any linux WM. And utilitarian? I assume you have workspaces in Windows? You can activate/deactivate stick edges easily? You can do any dimensional grid system you like? You can have floating windows? Those are features I use every single day. I feel like I've at least offered why I don't see how Windows's WM could possibly be "better" but then again I'm not the one making that claim. So far it's just you and other guy acting like it should be obvious why Windows' is superior.
- maratd 14y ago
  > I'll ask you the same thing, how? How is it "better"? It's consistent. It's been consistent for 7 iterations. 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8. It's stable. Everything shows up exactly where it's supposed to and works like it's supposed to. I have 4 high-resolution monitors set up and Windows handles it like no other operating system could. Consistent + Stable = Win However, what keeps me using Windows isn't the GUI. It's the driver availability, quality, and support. And that, of course, comes from market dominance.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    Again, what are you talking about. Be specific. What is consistent? The behavior? The display of open windows? The performance? The appearance? Literally NONE of those are identical from version-to-version in Windows. I can tell you how it changed in almost every version in one way or another. And besides, again, nothing to show how it's any better. You want <title> <minimize> <maximize> <close>? Guess what? You just described almost every window manager in existence, save for them having those switched around. They're all drag-and-dropable, they're all resizeable. I don't think you guys have anything to hold onto other than lofty words and what you're used to. As for drivers, that's a sad joke that just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. Go buy a Samsung Series 9. Works out of the box in Arch, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora. The: wired, wireless, display driver, chipset driver, memory card reader and touchpad were ALL broken in Windows 7 and Windows 8.
    - maratd 14y ago
      > As for drivers, that's a sad joke that just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. Go buy a Samsung Series 9. You are restricted to hardware that works on your operating system of choice. You read forums and check to make sure everything will work the way you want to. Even then, you have to constantly worry that whatever solution you hacked together won't give you degraded performance. I buy any hardware I want, with the full knowledge that it will work properly on Windows the way the manufacturer intended. Even Apple, the only major manufacturer out there that doesn't make hardware targeted at Windows, puts out drivers for Windows. Oh, and I wasn't even talking about vanilla laptop/desktop hardware. I was talking about fingerprint readers, high-end or esoteric NICs, FM/AM radio receivers, brand-spankin-new motherboards, etc. That doesn't apply to the majority of people, but it applies to me. > I don't think you guys have anything to hold onto other than lofty words and what you're used to. If we're used to something, then it must be consistent? Otherwise, how can you get used to it? > Again, what are you talking about. Be specific. What is consistent? The experience. Somebody who knows how to use 95, can use 98, 2000, XP, Vista, and 7 with ease. That's why everybody's going nuts about 8. With 8, you have to click on a tile before you get that consistent experience.

by WayneDB 14y ago

lelandbatey 14y ago

I realize this isn't exactly what you asked for, but my personal opinion in terms of straight up window management is a solid tiling window manager like dwm or xmonad. The Windows WM adds a bit to much shine to windows (for me) and doesn't have the efficiency that I love with tiling window managers. Mostly the ability to have everything I want viewable at once, along with keyboard commands to manage everything, is what makes tiling window managers so awesome for me. Having said that, I do recognize that it's only this way for me. For many people, the default Windows WM provides plenty of power and flexibility to be awesome.

ehsanu1 14y ago
nothing even comes close to the balance of stability, backwards compatibility, consistency, robustness and flexibility I was going to suggest XMonad as well, in response to this. Seriously, try it if you're using Linux.

drivebyacct2 14y ago

I'll ask you the same thing, how? How is it "better"? It has a feature? Waving your hands around and laundry listing things without any explanation is wildly unconvincing. You like utilitarian and flexible and you're really sitting there telling me Windows is the sweet spot for that? Are you being intentionally ironic? That's the posterboy slogan for Linux if I've ever heard it. I guarantee there's no way that the Windows WM is "more flexible" than any linux WM. And utilitarian? I assume you have workspaces in Windows? You can activate/deactivate stick edges easily? You can do any dimensional grid system you like? You can have floating windows? Those are features I use every single day. I feel like I've at least offered why I don't see how Windows's WM could possibly be "better" but then again I'm not the one making that claim. So far it's just you and other guy acting like it should be obvious why Windows' is superior.

maratd 14y ago
> I'll ask you the same thing, how? How is it "better"? It's consistent. It's been consistent for 7 iterations. 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8. It's stable. Everything shows up exactly where it's supposed to and works like it's supposed to. I have 4 high-resolution monitors set up and Windows handles it like no other operating system could. Consistent + Stable = Win However, what keeps me using Windows isn't the GUI. It's the driver availability, quality, and support. And that, of course, comes from market dominance.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  Again, what are you talking about. Be specific. What is consistent? The behavior? The display of open windows? The performance? The appearance? Literally NONE of those are identical from version-to-version in Windows. I can tell you how it changed in almost every version in one way or another. And besides, again, nothing to show how it's any better. You want <title> <minimize> <maximize> <close>? Guess what? You just described almost every window manager in existence, save for them having those switched around. They're all drag-and-dropable, they're all resizeable. I don't think you guys have anything to hold onto other than lofty words and what you're used to. As for drivers, that's a sad joke that just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. Go buy a Samsung Series 9. Works out of the box in Arch, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora. The: wired, wireless, display driver, chipset driver, memory card reader and touchpad were ALL broken in Windows 7 and Windows 8.
  - maratd 14y ago
    > As for drivers, that's a sad joke that just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. Go buy a Samsung Series 9. You are restricted to hardware that works on your operating system of choice. You read forums and check to make sure everything will work the way you want to. Even then, you have to constantly worry that whatever solution you hacked together won't give you degraded performance. I buy any hardware I want, with the full knowledge that it will work properly on Windows the way the manufacturer intended. Even Apple, the only major manufacturer out there that doesn't make hardware targeted at Windows, puts out drivers for Windows. Oh, and I wasn't even talking about vanilla laptop/desktop hardware. I was talking about fingerprint readers, high-end or esoteric NICs, FM/AM radio receivers, brand-spankin-new motherboards, etc. That doesn't apply to the majority of people, but it applies to me. > I don't think you guys have anything to hold onto other than lofty words and what you're used to. If we're used to something, then it must be consistent? Otherwise, how can you get used to it? > Again, what are you talking about. Be specific. What is consistent? The experience. Somebody who knows how to use 95, can use 98, 2000, XP, Vista, and 7 with ease. That's why everybody's going nuts about 8. With 8, you have to click on a tile before you get that consistent experience.