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Zoom came along with a securre video/voice chat, sure it's American, but it was by far the world leader Microsoft then used its monopoly in office tools to pus

by iso1631 9mo ago

Zoom came along with a securre video/voice chat, sure it's American, but it was by far the world leader Microsoft then used its monopoly in office tools to push Teams to everyone You can't compete with a trillion dollar company offering your product as a bundle your clients already pay for, even if your product is better. Even VC money runs out eventually

steve1977 9mo ago
To be fair, Microsoft already had Skype (for Business) and NetMeeting before that. It's not like they were new to that market. NetMeeting existed for more than a decade before Zoom even came into existence. Zoom had COVID-19 play in it's favor, that's about it.
- FuriouslyAdrift 9mo ago
  Skype for Business is the VoIP component for Teams, now. Sharepoint is the file service for Teams, too. Basically, Teams is a front end for a bunch of old Mircosoft cloud services... plus chat. Actually more than one chat as teams channels chat is a separate tech stack from private chat. It used to be much more monlothic and then the Sharepoint people got their hooks into it.
Y-bar 9mo ago
Zoom has long been the most unsecure video/voice application. Remember how they installed an open web server on people's computers which could be accessed by anyone through the web? https://infosecwriteups.com/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5 https://infosecwriteups.com/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-... Apple had to step in and patch it for them: https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-a... Or when they sent your chat data to Facebook? https://www.vice.com/en/article/zoom-ios-app-sends-data-to-facebook-even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/zoom-ios-app-sends-data-to-f... How it was discussed on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22703000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22703000 Or when Zoom was leaking private information? https://www.vice.com/en/article/zoom-leaking-email-addresses-photos/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/zoom-leaking-email-addresses... Or do you remember how those geniuses rolled their own crypto? https://citizenlab.ca/research/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto-a-quick-look-at-the-confidentiality-of-zoom-meetings/ https://citizenlab.ca/research/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypt... Or maybe you remember that Zoom has the ability to listen in in real-time on meetings held on their platform? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55372493 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55372493

by iso1631 9mo ago

steve1977 9mo ago

To be fair, Microsoft already had Skype (for Business) and NetMeeting before that. It's not like they were new to that market. NetMeeting existed for more than a decade before Zoom even came into existence. Zoom had COVID-19 play in it's favor, that's about it.

FuriouslyAdrift 9mo ago
Skype for Business is the VoIP component for Teams, now. Sharepoint is the file service for Teams, too. Basically, Teams is a front end for a bunch of old Mircosoft cloud services... plus chat. Actually more than one chat as teams channels chat is a separate tech stack from private chat. It used to be much more monlothic and then the Sharepoint people got their hooks into it.

Y-bar 9mo ago

Zoom has long been the most unsecure video/voice application. Remember how they installed an open web server on people's computers which could be accessed by anyone through the web? https://infosecwriteups.com/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5 https://infosecwriteups.com/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-... Apple had to step in and patch it for them: https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-app/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/10/apple-silent-update-zoom-a... Or when they sent your chat data to Facebook? https://www.vice.com/en/article/zoom-ios-app-sends-data-to-facebook-even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/zoom-ios-app-sends-data-to-f... How it was discussed on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22703000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22703000 Or when Zoom was leaking private information? https://www.vice.com/en/article/zoom-leaking-email-addresses-photos/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/zoom-leaking-email-addresses... Or do you remember how those geniuses rolled their own crypto? https://citizenlab.ca/research/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto-a-quick-look-at-the-confidentiality-of-zoom-meetings/ https://citizenlab.ca/research/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypt... Or maybe you remember that Zoom has the ability to listen in in real-time on meetings held on their platform? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55372493 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55372493