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I'm surprised Mattermost doesn't get more love generally, it's fully oss isn't it? https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost https://github.com/mattermost/matter

by neom 8mo ago

I'm surprised Mattermost doesn't get more love generally, it's fully oss isn't it? https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost

trueismywork 8mo ago
No. It's not fully OSS.
- Arathorn 8mo ago
  it’s also not decentralised (unless you bridge it to Matrix), nor end-to-end-encrypted. or standards based.
  - ronsor 8mo ago
    To be fair, why would you care if your internal organization or company chat is decentralized?
    - pseudalopex 8mo ago
      The article said secure communication with other EU bodies was a use case.
    - Arathorn 8mo ago
      If you work with lots of other entities who want full control over their own comms (e.g. other governments, other departments, other EU entities like European Parliament and Council, the UN, NATO, etc) then decentralisation or federation is a big deal. In the public sector it's basically a requirement: it's bananas if your country's critical infrastructure ends up dependent on some a product effectively controlled by another country (e.g. Teams) - and you obviously want to be able to communicate with other govt entities rather than being stuck in an island. Then it's a natural extension to the private sector - although for now, it feels more folks are on the "nobody got sacked for using Teams" train.
pseudalopex 8mo ago
Mattermost's license statements are confusing and contradictory.[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46861331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46861331
cloud-oak 8mo ago
I think Mattermost lost a lot of instance admins' trust when they recently decided to update the server to limit access to old messages without good reason. On self-hosted instances! https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost/issues/34271 https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost/issues/34271
- neom 8mo ago
  That's a shame, I interviewed there once, decided not to take it but it was one of the few places I could have seen myself working at, they seemed like decent folks trying to build something worthwhile.
layer8 8mo ago
Anything “sovereign” should decouple the protocol from the client software IMO, which isn’t possible with Mattermost.
- pm3003 8mo ago
  Well there's always Matterbridge. If you don't have complicated workflows to replicate (and even then) you can just replicate to XMPP, Nextcloud or whatever.

by neom 8mo ago

I'm surprised Mattermost doesn't get more love generally, it's fully oss isn't it? https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost

trueismywork 8mo ago

No. It's not fully OSS.

Arathorn 8mo ago
it’s also not decentralised (unless you bridge it to Matrix), nor end-to-end-encrypted. or standards based.
- ronsor 8mo ago
  To be fair, why would you care if your internal organization or company chat is decentralized?
  - pseudalopex 8mo ago
    The article said secure communication with other EU bodies was a use case.
  - Arathorn 8mo ago
    If you work with lots of other entities who want full control over their own comms (e.g. other governments, other departments, other EU entities like European Parliament and Council, the UN, NATO, etc) then decentralisation or federation is a big deal. In the public sector it's basically a requirement: it's bananas if your country's critical infrastructure ends up dependent on some a product effectively controlled by another country (e.g. Teams) - and you obviously want to be able to communicate with other govt entities rather than being stuck in an island. Then it's a natural extension to the private sector - although for now, it feels more folks are on the "nobody got sacked for using Teams" train.

pseudalopex 8mo ago

Mattermost's license statements are confusing and contradictory.[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46861331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46861331

cloud-oak 8mo ago

I think Mattermost lost a lot of instance admins' trust when they recently decided to update the server to limit access to old messages without good reason. On self-hosted instances! https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost/issues/34271 https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost/issues/34271

neom 8mo ago
That's a shame, I interviewed there once, decided not to take it but it was one of the few places I could have seen myself working at, they seemed like decent folks trying to build something worthwhile.

layer8 8mo ago

Anything “sovereign” should decouple the protocol from the client software IMO, which isn’t possible with Mattermost.

pm3003 8mo ago
Well there's always Matterbridge. If you don't have complicated workflows to replicate (and even then) you can just replicate to XMPP, Nextcloud or whatever.