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Cooking with glasses

29 points by surprisetalk 9mo ago

stickfigure 9mo ago
I think it's pretty obvious that something like this product is going to be the future, but the technology is still pretty raw. Eventually, humans will have some kind of personal assistant baked into their field of view. Maybe we're on the cusp, or maybe we're 50 years out. Hard to know.
unsnap_biceps 9mo ago
Like for example: I don't know, sometimes I'm cooking for my partner. Do they hear a one-sided conversation between me and the "Live AI" about what to do first, how to combine the ingredients? Without the staged demo's video-casting, this would have been the demo: a celebrity chef talking to himself like a lunatic, asking how to start. I think this is one of those things that society just adapts to. Some people will be in the kitchen talking to "themselves" but that's okay, people understand why. My Mom would often talk to herself when cooking anyway. She was a verbal processor. You just get used to it and eventually it doesn't seem weird anymore.
- coffeefirst 9mo ago
  That’s fine. I cook. I’ve got my AirPods in listening to music and talk to an iPad with my recipe on it to set timers and the like. And sometimes I talk to my Dutch oven because it has feelings. Voice control makes a lot of sense in cooking because my hands are messy. I’m just not sure what the glasses are for that could be fun or helpful while cooking. The demo video is… amusing but also wrong, because you’d need to have the recipe before you setup your ingredients.
  - jaapz 9mo ago
    The glasses could present a recipe as actions needing to be taken in the field of view, instead of as a bulletpoint list in a book. And the glasses could use the video stream from the glasses to improve help an AI may give during cooking. Then again, I don't see myself using them. I also cook and I'd rather just internalize processes and recipes, and something like this would make it way too easy to just rely on the glasses to "know" everything.
  - unsnap_biceps 9mo ago
    I tried cooking with a Vision Pro. It was nice to throw up the recipe above the prep area, hovering, so I could prep and check off without messing up a book or print a copy just for single use. I also liked throwing up a timer above each pot so it was simple to glance at the stove and see how long each pot had on it. But the Vision Pro is bulky, hot, and heavy. I wouldn't try it again. I could imagine giving it another go with glasses, but I wouldn't be using the AI part of it.
utopiah 9mo ago
I have a dozen VR headsets, more of them doing passthrough, I have AR glasses and even a monocle. I prototype in the field. The technology is amazing... but you don't need it to get value. Bring your tablet to the kitchen, add a webcam if you want to try to get visual feedback, display the recipe and... just cook. I think there is a big gap between : - how messy the World is (imagine a "normal" kitchen, not a prop for a demo) - how good existing low-tech solutions are (e.g. just a book or a printed page for a recipe) meaning that to provide marginally more value the tech has to be excellent at handle a messy World. Sure the tech is radically improving but we are vastly underestimating, as we did for robotics for decades now, how challenging seemingly menial task can be and how to do so reliably. I always think of my Roomba in this kind of situation, namely when one tries to imagine a future where tech works outside of the computer. Basically my little vacuum robot mostly sits idling in the corner because... a basic broom or a normal vacuum cleaner is radically more efficient, even if it means I have to do so myself. So... yes I'm techno-optimist but the timescale is IMHO not as close as we hope for. PS: AR setups (glasses or not) do NOT have to be connected to be useful. Do not get footed by Meta slick ads to imply that only they can make glasses, heck I'm taped a pair together 5 years ago with a RasberryPi Zero. It wasn't slick https://twitter-archive.benetou.fr/utopiah/status/1449023602079240194/ https://twitter-archive.benetou.fr/utopiah/status/1449023602... but it worked.
- PetitPrince 9mo ago
  I agree with the general vibe of your post but let me make a tangeant: > I always think of my Roomba in this kind of situation, namely when one tries to imagine a future where tech works outside of the computer. Basically my little vacuum robot mostly sits idling in the corner because... a basic broom or a normal vacuum cleaner is radically more efficient, even if it means I have to do so myself. For me the whole value of a robot vacuum is that... I don't vacuum, the robot does, and when it does so it when I'm not at home. Reduce the dust periodically by 75% so that it's neater; I'll do a deep clean every few month or so. (maybe what you're saying is that the cost of vacuuming for you is low enough that it's similar to launching the robot vacuum, in that case I understand you !)
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NedF 9mo ago
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etothepii 9mo ago
> My outsider view is that there are more people and more volume of crypto involved in the speculative & scam sector than in the human-rights sector, but I'm willing to be wrong. I would assume this is true, but is it the right metric? Would it be ok if it was 51:49? If $1m of crypto lets 100 Russian dissidents get out of Russia does it matter that there are $10b of pump and dump schemes? What if it's only $10m? What if its grannies having their life savings scalped? This feels like trolley problems all the way down.
indy 9mo ago
I thought this article would be about preventing your glasses getting steamed up when cooking

29 points by surprisetalk 9mo ago

I think it's pretty obvious that something like this product is going to be the future, but the technology is still pretty raw. Eventually, humans will have some kind of personal assistant baked into their field of view. Maybe we're on the cusp, or maybe we're 50 years out. Hard to know.

unsnap_biceps 9mo ago

Like for example: I don't know, sometimes I'm cooking for my partner. Do they hear a one-sided conversation between me and the "Live AI" about what to do first, how to combine the ingredients? Without the staged demo's video-casting, this would have been the demo: a celebrity chef talking to himself like a lunatic, asking how to start. I think this is one of those things that society just adapts to. Some people will be in the kitchen talking to "themselves" but that's okay, people understand why. My Mom would often talk to herself when cooking anyway. She was a verbal processor. You just get used to it and eventually it doesn't seem weird anymore.

coffeefirst 9mo ago
That’s fine. I cook. I’ve got my AirPods in listening to music and talk to an iPad with my recipe on it to set timers and the like. And sometimes I talk to my Dutch oven because it has feelings. Voice control makes a lot of sense in cooking because my hands are messy. I’m just not sure what the glasses are for that could be fun or helpful while cooking. The demo video is… amusing but also wrong, because you’d need to have the recipe before you setup your ingredients.
- jaapz 9mo ago
  The glasses could present a recipe as actions needing to be taken in the field of view, instead of as a bulletpoint list in a book. And the glasses could use the video stream from the glasses to improve help an AI may give during cooking. Then again, I don't see myself using them. I also cook and I'd rather just internalize processes and recipes, and something like this would make it way too easy to just rely on the glasses to "know" everything.
- unsnap_biceps 9mo ago
  I tried cooking with a Vision Pro. It was nice to throw up the recipe above the prep area, hovering, so I could prep and check off without messing up a book or print a copy just for single use. I also liked throwing up a timer above each pot so it was simple to glance at the stove and see how long each pot had on it. But the Vision Pro is bulky, hot, and heavy. I wouldn't try it again. I could imagine giving it another go with glasses, but I wouldn't be using the AI part of it.

utopiah 9mo ago

I have a dozen VR headsets, more of them doing passthrough, I have AR glasses and even a monocle. I prototype in the field. The technology is amazing... but you don't need it to get value. Bring your tablet to the kitchen, add a webcam if you want to try to get visual feedback, display the recipe and... just cook. I think there is a big gap between : - how messy the World is (imagine a "normal" kitchen, not a prop for a demo) - how good existing low-tech solutions are (e.g. just a book or a printed page for a recipe) meaning that to provide marginally more value the tech has to be excellent at handle a messy World. Sure the tech is radically improving but we are vastly underestimating, as we did for robotics for decades now, how challenging seemingly menial task can be and how to do so reliably. I always think of my Roomba in this kind of situation, namely when one tries to imagine a future where tech works outside of the computer. Basically my little vacuum robot mostly sits idling in the corner because... a basic broom or a normal vacuum cleaner is radically more efficient, even if it means I have to do so myself. So... yes I'm techno-optimist but the timescale is IMHO not as close as we hope for. PS: AR setups (glasses or not) do NOT have to be connected to be useful. Do not get footed by Meta slick ads to imply that only they can make glasses, heck I'm taped a pair together 5 years ago with a RasberryPi Zero. It wasn't slick https://twitter-archive.benetou.fr/utopiah/status/1449023602079240194/ https://twitter-archive.benetou.fr/utopiah/status/1449023602... but it worked.

PetitPrince 9mo ago
I agree with the general vibe of your post but let me make a tangeant: > I always think of my Roomba in this kind of situation, namely when one tries to imagine a future where tech works outside of the computer. Basically my little vacuum robot mostly sits idling in the corner because... a basic broom or a normal vacuum cleaner is radically more efficient, even if it means I have to do so myself. For me the whole value of a robot vacuum is that... I don't vacuum, the robot does, and when it does so it when I'm not at home. Reduce the dust periodically by 75% so that it's neater; I'll do a deep clean every few month or so. (maybe what you're saying is that the cost of vacuuming for you is low enough that it's similar to launching the robot vacuum, in that case I understand you !)
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etothepii 9mo ago

> My outsider view is that there are more people and more volume of crypto involved in the speculative & scam sector than in the human-rights sector, but I'm willing to be wrong. I would assume this is true, but is it the right metric? Would it be ok if it was 51:49? If $1m of crypto lets 100 Russian dissidents get out of Russia does it matter that there are $10b of pump and dump schemes? What if it's only $10m? What if its grannies having their life savings scalped? This feels like trolley problems all the way down.

indy 9mo ago

I thought this article would be about preventing your glasses getting steamed up when cooking