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Steve Jobs must be rolling in his grave ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI

by quux 14y ago

adolph 14y ago
There is a finger sharpening accessory, $29.99.
mdonahoe 14y ago
Steve changes his kind so much he'd probably claim it was his idea! :) Like Bezos said recently, successful people change their mind, especially when confronted with great evidence like the Nexus 7. Judging by the photos of the prototype iPad, I wonder if they ever made a prototype this size before deciding on the original iPad specs. Anyway, I'm glad they didn't make it retina.
- colmvp 14y ago
  "Anyway, I'm glad they didn't make it retina." Why? Seems like a step backwards. iPhone, MacBook Pro, iPad... Apple pushes the need for Retina and then produces a new product that doesn't have it?
  - royalsurfing 14y ago
    Well, noen of the 1.gen iOS devices have had a retina screen
  - mdonahoe 14y ago
    Weight, battery life, resolution: with current tech you can choose two. Since these devices are hand held, I prefer weight over screen res.
jonny_eh 14y ago
It's not a 7" iPad, it's 7.9" :-P
spot 14y ago
"you can't just scale down the interface" oops
- grecy 14y ago
  They didn't. It's exactly the same resolution as the original iPad and iPad 2
  - spot 14y ago
    same resolution, scaled down by 20%. so if you designed a button to be as small as a finger for the ipad, it's now too small.
    - digisign 14y ago
      Or not if you are a woman or child, the likely majority of users for such a device.
    - Samuel_Michon 14y ago
      The tap targets on a 10" iPad are quite big, there was some room to shrink the screen without it hurting usability. Besides, the 7.9" screen size wasn't randomly picked: The tap targets on an iPad mini are exactly the same size as they are on an iPhone or iPod touch (which also confirms that Apple is using the same equipment to produce the iPad mini screen panels as they used for the iPhone 3GS — they're just cutting the panels in a different size). “I think there’s a method to Apple’s madness in recommending 44-point-or-larger tap targets for all iOS apps, both on the iPhone and iPad, despite the fact that on the iPad-as-we-know-it, each point is physically larger than a point on the iPhone or iPod Touch. (1 point maps directly to 1 pixel on iPad 1/2 and older iPhones; 1 point maps to a 4-pixel square on the iPad 3 and iPhone 4/4S.) A 44-point tap target on the rumored iPad Mini would be exactly the same physical size as a 44-point tap target on the iPhone.” http://daringfireball.net/2012/07/this_ipad_mini_thing http://daringfireball.net/2012/07/this_ipad_mini_thing
      - smackfu 14y ago
shortlived 14y ago
So what do you all say to the claim that r&d has proven that people will need to shrink their fingers to happily use a smaller touch device? I've used an iPad and an iTouch, and clearly the iPad is super comfortable. Is the mini, the smallest we can go and still have an easy to use touch interface?
- quux 14y ago
  iPad mini has the same dpi as the non retina iPhones, and nobody had trouble tapping on things.
  - xxbondsxx 14y ago
    DPI has no effect on the size of a thumb relative to the size of an icon on the screen. Smaller ipad -> smaller icons -> harder to tap
    - quux 14y ago
      What i mean is a 44pt button should be the same physical size on an iPad mini and an iPhone 3gs. Nobody had trouble touching buttons on the 3gs
    - mikeash 14y ago
      Of course DPI has an effect. An icon is a certain number of pixels in size, and DPI determines how that translates into physical size.
simonh 14y ago
7" Android tablets Steve was talking about are 16x9, which means even a 7" iPad with it's 4x3 ratio would have a bigger screen area. But the Mini is 7.85". It turns out it's about 40% bigger than the Nexus 7 screen. That's not a small difference.
- eco 14y ago
  I wish manufacturer would just stop using diagonals as a measure of screen size and just write the display area. Diagonals are a terrible way to describe screen size.

Steve Jobs must be rolling in his grave ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI

by quux 14y ago

Steve Jobs must be rolling in his grave ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI

adolph 14y ago

There is a finger sharpening accessory, $29.99.

mdonahoe 14y ago

Steve changes his kind so much he'd probably claim it was his idea! :) Like Bezos said recently, successful people change their mind, especially when confronted with great evidence like the Nexus 7. Judging by the photos of the prototype iPad, I wonder if they ever made a prototype this size before deciding on the original iPad specs. Anyway, I'm glad they didn't make it retina.

colmvp 14y ago
"Anyway, I'm glad they didn't make it retina." Why? Seems like a step backwards. iPhone, MacBook Pro, iPad... Apple pushes the need for Retina and then produces a new product that doesn't have it?
- royalsurfing 14y ago
  Well, noen of the 1.gen iOS devices have had a retina screen
- mdonahoe 14y ago
  Weight, battery life, resolution: with current tech you can choose two. Since these devices are hand held, I prefer weight over screen res.

jonny_eh 14y ago

It's not a 7" iPad, it's 7.9" :-P

spot 14y ago

"you can't just scale down the interface" oops

grecy 14y ago
They didn't. It's exactly the same resolution as the original iPad and iPad 2
- spot 14y ago
  same resolution, scaled down by 20%. so if you designed a button to be as small as a finger for the ipad, it's now too small.
  - digisign 14y ago
    Or not if you are a woman or child, the likely majority of users for such a device.
  - Samuel_Michon 14y ago
    The tap targets on a 10" iPad are quite big, there was some room to shrink the screen without it hurting usability. Besides, the 7.9" screen size wasn't randomly picked: The tap targets on an iPad mini are exactly the same size as they are on an iPhone or iPod touch (which also confirms that Apple is using the same equipment to produce the iPad mini screen panels as they used for the iPhone 3GS — they're just cutting the panels in a different size). “I think there’s a method to Apple’s madness in recommending 44-point-or-larger tap targets for all iOS apps, both on the iPhone and iPad, despite the fact that on the iPad-as-we-know-it, each point is physically larger than a point on the iPhone or iPod Touch. (1 point maps directly to 1 pixel on iPad 1/2 and older iPhones; 1 point maps to a 4-pixel square on the iPad 3 and iPhone 4/4S.) A 44-point tap target on the rumored iPad Mini would be exactly the same physical size as a 44-point tap target on the iPhone.” http://daringfireball.net/2012/07/this_ipad_mini_thing http://daringfireball.net/2012/07/this_ipad_mini_thing
    - smackfu 14y ago

shortlived 14y ago

So what do you all say to the claim that r&d has proven that people will need to shrink their fingers to happily use a smaller touch device? I've used an iPad and an iTouch, and clearly the iPad is super comfortable. Is the mini, the smallest we can go and still have an easy to use touch interface?

quux 14y ago
iPad mini has the same dpi as the non retina iPhones, and nobody had trouble tapping on things.
- xxbondsxx 14y ago
  DPI has no effect on the size of a thumb relative to the size of an icon on the screen. Smaller ipad -> smaller icons -> harder to tap
  - quux 14y ago
    What i mean is a 44pt button should be the same physical size on an iPad mini and an iPhone 3gs. Nobody had trouble touching buttons on the 3gs
  - mikeash 14y ago
    Of course DPI has an effect. An icon is a certain number of pixels in size, and DPI determines how that translates into physical size.

simonh 14y ago

7" Android tablets Steve was talking about are 16x9, which means even a 7" iPad with it's 4x3 ratio would have a bigger screen area. But the Mini is 7.85". It turns out it's about 40% bigger than the Nexus 7 screen. That's not a small difference.

eco 14y ago
I wish manufacturer would just stop using diagonals as a measure of screen size and just write the display area. Diagonals are a terrible way to describe screen size.