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Unlike every previous invention that improves productivity, It is making every form of labor redundant.
by beeflet 8mo ago
Unlike every previous invention that improves productivity, It is making every form of labor redundant.
- zozbot234 8mo agoAIUI, in most lines of work AI is being used to replace/augment pointless paper-pushing jobs. It doesn't seem to be all that useful for real, productive work. Coding may be a limited exception, but even then the AI's job is to be basically a dumb (if sometimes knowledgeable) code monkey. You still need to do all the architecture and detailed design work if you want something maintainable at the end of the day.
- beeflet 8mo agoreal productive work like what? What do you think all this hubub with robotics is about? I mean, I know what you are getting at. I agree with you on the current state of the art. But advancements beyond this point threaten everyone's job. I don't see a moat for 95% of human labor. There's no reason why you couldn't figure out an AI to assemble "the architecture and detailed design work". I mean I hope it's the case that the state of the art stays like this forever, I'm just not counting on it.
- zozbot234 8mo agoRobotics is nothing new, we had robots in factories in the 1980s. The jobs of modern factory workers are mostly about attending to robots and other automated systems. > There's no reason why you couldn't figure out an AI to assemble "the architecture and detailed design work". I'd like to see that because it would mean that AI's have managed to stay at least somewhat coherent over longer work contexts. The closest you get to this (AIUI) is with AI's trying to prove complex math theorems, where the proof checking system itself enforces the presence of effective large-scale structure. But that's an outside system keeping the AI on a very tight leash with immediate feedback, and not letting it go off-track.
- munificent 8mo ago> It doesn't seem to be all that useful for real, productive work. Even the most pointless bullshit job accomplishes a societal function by transferring wages from a likely wealthy large corporation to a individual worker who has bills to pay. Eliminating bullshit jobs might be good from an economic efficiency perspective, but people still gotta eat.
- uoaei 8mo agoThe logic of American economic policy relies on a large velocity of money driven by consumer habits. It is tautological, and it is obsolete in the face of the elite trying to minimize wage expenses.
- SR2Z 8mo agoHow is it obsolete? If everyone is unemployed and a few AI barons are obscenely wealthy, the velocity of money will be low. Seems to me like that's still a worthy goal.
- SR2Z 8mo agoHow is it obsolete? If everyone is unemployed and a few AI barons are obscenely wealthy, the velocity of money will be low because most people will be broke. Seems to me like that's still a worthy target if chasing it fights that outcome.
- DennisP 8mo agoIf the only point is distributing money, then the pointless bullshit job is an unnecessary complication.
- munificent 8mo agoIt's not unnecessary to the person who uses it to pay their bills.
- xg15 8mo agoI think GP meant that the money could be distributed directly without the job in between, i.e. UBI. Of course that comes with its own set of problems, e.g. that you will lose training, connections, the ability to exert influence through the job or any hope of building a career.