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If singularity premise is correct, then i think it should must already had happened in our cluster of the universe. Since it hasn't yet, then there are 3 opti

by zqna 8mo ago

If singularity premise is correct, then i think it should must already had happened in our cluster of the universe. Since it hasn't yet, then there are 3 options. 1st: earth and earthlings are special, which is too egocentric notion to be taken seriously. 2nd: we are being observed for entertainment by high conciousness. That could explain a lot, though this removes agency and prevents us from reaching that moment on our own (but maybe the observers are curious to find that out). 3rd: the extinction and annihilation of so-called intelligence once it obliterates all the resources in vicinity. Of course there is option number 4, but ultimately the question, what is the point of that?

postalrat 8mo ago
https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI
- zqna 8mo ago
  That's your answer? "Next time"?
andrewflnr 8mo ago
This is basically a version of the Fermi Paradox, which, well, has a lot of different answers. A lot. One of my favorites is that humanity actually is one of the early tech civilizations, due to insufficient phosphorus in earlier phases of the universe. But also, there are a lot of ways to have a technological singularity, and many of them have no particular reason to be visible at astronomical distances.
- rbanffy 8mo ago
  > and many of them have no particular reason to be visible at astronomical distances. Or to want to talk to meat. https://youtu.be/T6JFTmQCFHg https://youtu.be/T6JFTmQCFHg
  - andrewflnr 8mo ago
    ...sure. To be clear, ETs wanting to talk to us is not necessarily a prerequisite to being detectable by us, which is the more relevant question.
    - rbanffy 8mo ago
      But wanting not to talk to us might be a reason to make themselves hard to detect. Kind of moving to the quieter place when you can’t find anyone interesting at a party.
- rhoohr 8mo ago
  That's also my take. The universe is expected to last for trillions of years and only 13 billions years have passed. Life on earth evolved surprisingly fast after reaching the necessary conditions, some recent research on LUCA estimating less than 300 millions years. I believe there are others out there, but too far yet for communication.

by zqna 8mo ago

postalrat 8mo ago

https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI

zqna 8mo ago
That's your answer? "Next time"?

andrewflnr 8mo ago

This is basically a version of the Fermi Paradox, which, well, has a lot of different answers. A lot. One of my favorites is that humanity actually is one of the early tech civilizations, due to insufficient phosphorus in earlier phases of the universe. But also, there are a lot of ways to have a technological singularity, and many of them have no particular reason to be visible at astronomical distances.

rbanffy 8mo ago
> and many of them have no particular reason to be visible at astronomical distances. Or to want to talk to meat. https://youtu.be/T6JFTmQCFHg https://youtu.be/T6JFTmQCFHg
- andrewflnr 8mo ago
  ...sure. To be clear, ETs wanting to talk to us is not necessarily a prerequisite to being detectable by us, which is the more relevant question.
  - rbanffy 8mo ago
    But wanting not to talk to us might be a reason to make themselves hard to detect. Kind of moving to the quieter place when you can’t find anyone interesting at a party.
rhoohr 8mo ago
That's also my take. The universe is expected to last for trillions of years and only 13 billions years have passed. Life on earth evolved surprisingly fast after reaching the necessary conditions, some recent research on LUCA estimating less than 300 millions years. I believe there are others out there, but too far yet for communication.