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Doesn’t the “third world” (maybe better referred to as the “Global South” now that the Berlin Wall has fallen) has very high marriage rates? Models of home owne

by datsci_est_2015 9mo ago

Doesn’t the “third world” (maybe better referred to as the “Global South” now that the Berlin Wall has fallen) has very high marriage rates? Models of home ownership are probably different enough to be incomparable to what it is the US. Nevermind mortgages, but things like running water as well. I would almost imagine “apprenticeship” is much more common and healthy (“junior roles”) in a lot of the more prosperous places in the Global South as well.

joe_mamba 9mo ago
I think by "third world mentalities" he just means devolving into "fuck you, I got mine" low trust societies where everyone is stealing and scamming everyone else because there's no upwards mobility, no social contract where hard work and honesty gets you ahead, it's either scam or be scammed by unscrupulous people who will take advantage of your hard work and trust in the system against you, so that they can get ahead and then rug-pull you. I see the same sentiment from his comment on young people everywhere in the developed west US, Canda, EU, Australia, etc.
- j-bos 9mo ago
  I like to say low trust-worthiness societies. High trust societies are often exploited by con artists and the like who if sufficient then become low trust.
- datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
  Funny, “fuck you, I got mine” has always been, imo, one of America’s core defining cultural values. /s, a little bit. I find all of this lacking analytical or quantitative rigor and it’s bringing racists and bigots with preconceived worldviews out from their hiding spaces (not necessarily you, but definitely the elsewhere in this thread). Anyway, we should all bake bread for our neighbors a bit more and make the world a nicer place to live in.
  - learingsci 9mo ago
    We were founded by deeply religious Christians who were exactly the opposite of that mindset. Your perspective is one of ignorance about well established historical facts that most children learn in grade school. Free market liberalism was not the goal of puritans. Tough they may have traded with natives, they were quite religious, arguably to a fault.
    - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
      > We were founded by deeply religious Christians who were exactly the opposite of that mindset. This is ahistorical nonsense. You’re really saying the country of “Manifest Destiny” had no attitude of “Fuck you, I got mine” because they were deeply religious Christians? Not to mention “Christian” has been bastardized so hard that I find it hard to imagine there’s really much overlap between what a “Christian” today believes vs what they believed in 1776. Let’s take, for example, their recorded views on the “personhood” of indigenous peoples (and Africans!) and whether they were capable of being saved by Christ. Never mind the absolute multitude of sects that existed then but don’t exist now and vice versa. Your perspective is one of myth-building and religious supremacy, which is well-refuted by the significant evidence in the form of history books as well as primary sources. > Tough the may have traded with natives How benevolent. You should really read about what it actually means to perform a genocide on indigenous peoples. The ugly side. Read the diary of Thomas Thistlewood, a self-proclaimed Christian. Let me know how you feel about the passage where he forced an enslaved person to defecate into another enslaved person’s mouth.
      - learingsci 9mo ago
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        datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
        What’s the weird bias? Where did I contradict myself? What was the stupid fallacy? Calling out the hypocrisy of those who call themselves Christians, both modern and historical, has never been a way of striking out at “my father”. The label, Christian, is a convenient one to hide behind for those hypocrites, as if it absolves them of their moral and ethical responsibilities.

joe_mamba 9mo ago

I think by "third world mentalities" he just means devolving into "fuck you, I got mine" low trust societies where everyone is stealing and scamming everyone else because there's no upwards mobility, no social contract where hard work and honesty gets you ahead, it's either scam or be scammed by unscrupulous people who will take advantage of your hard work and trust in the system against you, so that they can get ahead and then rug-pull you. I see the same sentiment from his comment on young people everywhere in the developed west US, Canda, EU, Australia, etc.

j-bos 9mo ago
I like to say low trust-worthiness societies. High trust societies are often exploited by con artists and the like who if sufficient then become low trust.
datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
Funny, “fuck you, I got mine” has always been, imo, one of America’s core defining cultural values. /s, a little bit. I find all of this lacking analytical or quantitative rigor and it’s bringing racists and bigots with preconceived worldviews out from their hiding spaces (not necessarily you, but definitely the elsewhere in this thread). Anyway, we should all bake bread for our neighbors a bit more and make the world a nicer place to live in.
- learingsci 9mo ago
  We were founded by deeply religious Christians who were exactly the opposite of that mindset. Your perspective is one of ignorance about well established historical facts that most children learn in grade school. Free market liberalism was not the goal of puritans. Tough they may have traded with natives, they were quite religious, arguably to a fault.
  - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
    > We were founded by deeply religious Christians who were exactly the opposite of that mindset. This is ahistorical nonsense. You’re really saying the country of “Manifest Destiny” had no attitude of “Fuck you, I got mine” because they were deeply religious Christians? Not to mention “Christian” has been bastardized so hard that I find it hard to imagine there’s really much overlap between what a “Christian” today believes vs what they believed in 1776. Let’s take, for example, their recorded views on the “personhood” of indigenous peoples (and Africans!) and whether they were capable of being saved by Christ. Never mind the absolute multitude of sects that existed then but don’t exist now and vice versa. Your perspective is one of myth-building and religious supremacy, which is well-refuted by the significant evidence in the form of history books as well as primary sources. > Tough the may have traded with natives How benevolent. You should really read about what it actually means to perform a genocide on indigenous peoples. The ugly side. Read the diary of Thomas Thistlewood, a self-proclaimed Christian. Let me know how you feel about the passage where he forced an enslaved person to defecate into another enslaved person’s mouth.
    - learingsci 9mo ago
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      - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
        What’s the weird bias? Where did I contradict myself? What was the stupid fallacy? Calling out the hypocrisy of those who call themselves Christians, both modern and historical, has never been a way of striking out at “my father”. The label, Christian, is a convenient one to hide behind for those hypocrites, as if it absolves them of their moral and ethical responsibilities.