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I'd ask the people saying "there's no definition for UPF" or that the NOVA system is terrible, try and come up with your own improvement. As they're attempts to

I'd ask the people saying "there's no definition for UPF" or that the NOVA system is terrible, try and come up with your own improvement. As they're attempts to help classify these foods. Not everyone has a good nutritional understanding of their foods, so these are short form efforts to try and help. Rather than knocking what's out there, how about also trying to determine an alternative and see how challenging it is. I read a lot of people poking holes, but not a lot of suggestions of how to improve things.

dlcarrier 8mo ago
No one has managed to come up for an improvement for the zodiac system used in astrology. There's countless studies on it, all inconclusive at best, once subject to reproduction and meta analyses. Should we keep using, despite a lack of evidence, because there's nothing better? Why not just discount it completely? If discounting astrology completely is the right move, than so is discounting the NOVA system.
- NoPicklez 8mo ago
  We don't really "use it" and what do we use it for in the first place. Think about what the zodiac system is used for and we absolutely have alternatives. What giving people insights into their personality based on an arbitrary star pattern during the year. We do have other approaches to explain peoples personality and behavior traits that are based on evidence and science as opposed to the stars and their birth date. What we're talking about here is similar to the food pyramid, its a generalised approach to helping people understand what they should and shouldn't eat specific to the type of food and level of "processing". Something developed based on rising scientific evidence of the impacts of large consumption of highly processed or hyper palatable foods. I'm not saying we shouldn't use the NOVA system, I'm asking those that bash it to come up with an alternative approach or remodel it. The same way the food pyramid has changed, whilst the zodiac system hasn't.
HK-NC 8mo ago
Im not one, but for me I just have ingredients that write the food off for me. Sugar, maltodextrin, aspartame etc. is a no. Rapeseed oil, palm oil etc. Its a lot easier than trying to decide if something is part of a category based on multiple factors, it either contains DO NOT EATs or it doesnt. I'm already going to read the ingredients on everything I buy so therrs no extra work. I can pick the word "sugar" out of any jumble of words immediately now.

dlcarrier 8mo ago

No one has managed to come up for an improvement for the zodiac system used in astrology. There's countless studies on it, all inconclusive at best, once subject to reproduction and meta analyses. Should we keep using, despite a lack of evidence, because there's nothing better? Why not just discount it completely? If discounting astrology completely is the right move, than so is discounting the NOVA system.

NoPicklez 8mo ago
We don't really "use it" and what do we use it for in the first place. Think about what the zodiac system is used for and we absolutely have alternatives. What giving people insights into their personality based on an arbitrary star pattern during the year. We do have other approaches to explain peoples personality and behavior traits that are based on evidence and science as opposed to the stars and their birth date. What we're talking about here is similar to the food pyramid, its a generalised approach to helping people understand what they should and shouldn't eat specific to the type of food and level of "processing". Something developed based on rising scientific evidence of the impacts of large consumption of highly processed or hyper palatable foods. I'm not saying we shouldn't use the NOVA system, I'm asking those that bash it to come up with an alternative approach or remodel it. The same way the food pyramid has changed, whilst the zodiac system hasn't.

HK-NC 8mo ago

Im not one, but for me I just have ingredients that write the food off for me. Sugar, maltodextrin, aspartame etc. is a no. Rapeseed oil, palm oil etc. Its a lot easier than trying to decide if something is part of a category based on multiple factors, it either contains DO NOT EATs or it doesnt. I'm already going to read the ingredients on everything I buy so therrs no extra work. I can pick the word "sugar" out of any jumble of words immediately now.