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> Eloquent, moving, and more-or-less exactly what people said when cameras first hit the scene. This is a non sequitur. Cameras have not replaced paintings, as

> Eloquent, moving, and more-or-less exactly what people said when cameras first hit the scene. This is a non sequitur. Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. Instead, they serve only to be an additional medium for the same concerns quoted: The process, which is an iterative one, is what leads you towards understanding what you actually want to make, whether you were aware of it or not at the beginning. Just as this is applicable to refining a software solution captured in code, just as a painter discards unsatisfactory paintings and tries again, so too is it when people say, "that picture didn't come out the way I like, let's take another one."

CamperBob2 8mo ago
Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day. Guess what, they got over it. You will too.
- kranner 8mo ago
  > Guess what, they got over it. You will too. Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  - CamperBob2 8mo ago
    It ain't over 'til it's over. And when you come to a fork in the road, take it.
- AdieuToLogic 8mo ago
  >> Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. > You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day. > Guess what, they got over it. You conveniently omitted my next sentence, which contradicts your position and reads thusly: Instead, they serve only to be an additional medium for the same concerns quoted ... > You will too. This statement is assumptive and gratuitous.
  - CamperBob2 8mo ago
    Username checks out, at least.
    - salawat 8mo ago
      Logic needs to be shown the door on occasion. Sometimes via the help of an ole Irish bar toss.
      - CamperBob2 8mo ago
        There are other sites. Other doors, on other bars.
    - AdieuToLogic 8mo ago
      > Username checks out, at least. Thoughtful retorts such as this are deserving of the same esteem one affords the "rubber v glue"[0] idiom. As such, I must oblige. 0 - https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/I%27m+rubber%2c+you%27re+glue https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/I%27m+rubber%2c+you%27r...
- lkey 8mo ago
  What stole the joy you must have felt, fleetingly, as a child that beheld the world with fresh eyes, full of wonder? Did you imagine yourself then, as your are now, hunched over a glowing rectangle. Demanding imperiously that the world share your contempt for the sublime. Share your jaundiced view of those that pour the whole of themselves into the act of creation, so that everyone might once again be graced with wonder anew. I hope you can find a work of art that breaks you free of your resentment.
  - kuerbel 8mo ago
    [flagged]
    - exodust 8mo ago
      Plot twist. The comment you love is the cynical one, responding to someone who clearly embraces the new by rising above caution and concern. Your GPT addition has missed the context, but at least you've provided a nice little paradox.
      - CamperBob2 8mo ago
        What I especially enjoy is seeing those people accuse AI of being a "parrot" or a "mindless next-token predictor." Inevitably, these accusations are levied in comments whose every thought and token could have been lifted verbatim from any of a thousand such comments over the past few years, accompanied by the rusty squeak of goalpost wheels.
    - balamatom 8mo ago
      Thank you for the AI warning, so I didn't have to read that.
      - kuerbel 8mo ago
        Ah well, I'm neurodivergent and it’s challenging for me to write a comment while remembering that others don’t have access to my thoughts and might interpret things differently. And it's too late to edit it now What I wanted to show is that, clearly different from a camera or other devices, AI can copy originality. OPs comment was pretty original in it's wording, and gpt came pretty close imo. It really wasn't meant as a low effort comment
williamcotton 8mo ago
Photography’s rapid commercialisation [21] meant that many painters – or prospective painters – were tempted to take up photography instead of, or in addition to, their painting careers. Most of these new photographers produced portraits. As these were far cheaper and easier to produce than painted portraits, portraits ceased to be the privilege of the well-off and, in a sense, became democratised [22]. Some commentators dismissed this trend towards photography as simply a beneficial weeding out of second-raters. For example, the writer Louis Figuier commented that photography did art a service by putting mediocre artists out of business, for their only goal was exact imitation. Similarly, Baudelaire described photography as the “refuge of failed painters with too little talent”. In his view, art was derived from imagination, judgment and feeling but photography was mere reproduction which cheapened the products of the beautiful [23]. https://www.artinsociety.com/pt-1-initial-impacts.html#:~:text=Photography's%20rapid%20commercialisation%20%5B21%5D%20meant,of%20the%20beautiful%20%5B23%5D. https://www.artinsociety.com/pt-1-initial-impacts.html#:~:te...

CamperBob2 8mo ago

Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day. Guess what, they got over it. You will too.

kranner 8mo ago
> Guess what, they got over it. You will too. Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
- CamperBob2 8mo ago
  It ain't over 'til it's over. And when you come to a fork in the road, take it.
AdieuToLogic 8mo ago
>> Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. > You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day. > Guess what, they got over it. You conveniently omitted my next sentence, which contradicts your position and reads thusly: Instead, they serve only to be an additional medium for the same concerns quoted ... > You will too. This statement is assumptive and gratuitous.
- CamperBob2 8mo ago
  Username checks out, at least.
  - salawat 8mo ago
    Logic needs to be shown the door on occasion. Sometimes via the help of an ole Irish bar toss.
    - CamperBob2 8mo ago
      There are other sites. Other doors, on other bars.
  - AdieuToLogic 8mo ago
    > Username checks out, at least. Thoughtful retorts such as this are deserving of the same esteem one affords the "rubber v glue"[0] idiom. As such, I must oblige. 0 - https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/I%27m+rubber%2c+you%27re+glue https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/I%27m+rubber%2c+you%27r...
lkey 8mo ago
What stole the joy you must have felt, fleetingly, as a child that beheld the world with fresh eyes, full of wonder? Did you imagine yourself then, as your are now, hunched over a glowing rectangle. Demanding imperiously that the world share your contempt for the sublime. Share your jaundiced view of those that pour the whole of themselves into the act of creation, so that everyone might once again be graced with wonder anew. I hope you can find a work of art that breaks you free of your resentment.
- kuerbel 8mo ago
  [flagged]
  - exodust 8mo ago
    Plot twist. The comment you love is the cynical one, responding to someone who clearly embraces the new by rising above caution and concern. Your GPT addition has missed the context, but at least you've provided a nice little paradox.
    - CamperBob2 8mo ago
      What I especially enjoy is seeing those people accuse AI of being a "parrot" or a "mindless next-token predictor." Inevitably, these accusations are levied in comments whose every thought and token could have been lifted verbatim from any of a thousand such comments over the past few years, accompanied by the rusty squeak of goalpost wheels.
  - balamatom 8mo ago
    Thank you for the AI warning, so I didn't have to read that.
    - kuerbel 8mo ago
      Ah well, I'm neurodivergent and it’s challenging for me to write a comment while remembering that others don’t have access to my thoughts and might interpret things differently. And it's too late to edit it now What I wanted to show is that, clearly different from a camera or other devices, AI can copy originality. OPs comment was pretty original in it's wording, and gpt came pretty close imo. It really wasn't meant as a low effort comment

williamcotton 8mo ago

Photography’s rapid commercialisation [21] meant that many painters – or prospective painters – were tempted to take up photography instead of, or in addition to, their painting careers. Most of these new photographers produced portraits. As these were far cheaper and easier to produce than painted portraits, portraits ceased to be the privilege of the well-off and, in a sense, became democratised [22]. Some commentators dismissed this trend towards photography as simply a beneficial weeding out of second-raters. For example, the writer Louis Figuier commented that photography did art a service by putting mediocre artists out of business, for their only goal was exact imitation. Similarly, Baudelaire described photography as the “refuge of failed painters with too little talent”. In his view, art was derived from imagination, judgment and feeling but photography was mere reproduction which cheapened the products of the beautiful [23]. https://www.artinsociety.com/pt-1-initial-impacts.html#:~:text=Photography's%20rapid%20commercialisation%20%5B21%5D%20meant,of%20the%20beautiful%20%5B23%5D. https://www.artinsociety.com/pt-1-initial-impacts.html#:~:te...