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> in fact they are just protecting their citizens' rights against unethical business models regardless of origin Would you elaborate how this "in fact" is "pro

> in fact they are just protecting their citizens' rights against unethical business models regardless of origin Would you elaborate how this "in fact" is "protecting their citizens' rights"? Very curious to know.

estimator7292 8mo ago
Microsoft, Google, et al very famously spy on everything you do and have no compunctions about handing that data to the US government, regardless of whether the person is a US citizen. Take this idea one step further. Microsoft, Google, et al also snoop on what foreign governments do with their software and report back to USGov.
- Aurornis 8mo ago
  > and have no compunctions about handing that data to the US government, Every government can and will compel companies within their jurisdiction to hand over data for legal cases. Don’t think that this is a uniquely American property. If your data sits on servers within the control of any company that operates in a country, that country can and will apply legal pressure upon those companies to extract the data.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 8mo ago
    > Every government can and will compel companies within their jurisdiction to hand over data for legal cases. I'm not sure of your point. This is an excellent argument as to why the French government should run their government videoconferencing and chat on infrastructure in France, as they plan to do, isn't it? Using software that they have vetted. Regardless of if this is a "uniquely American" thing or not.
    - Aurornis 8mo ago
      Right. I’m not disagreeing with that. A country should run their official business on tools that aren’t trivially liable for extraction by foreign governments. The point was in response to the above comment. All governments can and will compel companies to turn over data. It’s often framed on HN as a feature of only American companies but it’s actually universal.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 8mo ago
        It happens that the major tech platforms are all US-based, so it's more relevant to talk about US government policy than any other. Even if they are all like that. But, in addition, the US government has recently become more pushy and less friendly than it was before, which is prompting many other nations to re-assess their dependence on the tech of what was until recently a close ally. The headline is an example. It seems to me more about "this foreign government is most relevant" than "only this foreign government is like that".
  - yunnpp 8mo ago
    That's not the point. Yes, governments are sovereign within their territory. But the US can force any US company to hand over data, regardless of where that company has located the data center.
croon 8mo ago
https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-court-a4b4c02751ab84c09718b1b95cbd5db3 https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-co... > Microsoft, for example, cancelled Khan’s email address, forcing the prosecutor to move to Proton Mail, a Swiss email provider, ICC staffers said. His bank accounts in his home country of the U.K. have been blocked.
- jesterson 8mo ago
  I fail to see how that addresses my question
  - bratwurst3000 8mo ago
    for example EU privacy laws can be ignored in the states with for example the cloud act. having control over software and infrastructure is protecting the rights of eu citizen in that regard.

estimator7292 8mo ago

Microsoft, Google, et al very famously spy on everything you do and have no compunctions about handing that data to the US government, regardless of whether the person is a US citizen. Take this idea one step further. Microsoft, Google, et al also snoop on what foreign governments do with their software and report back to USGov.

Aurornis 8mo ago
> and have no compunctions about handing that data to the US government, Every government can and will compel companies within their jurisdiction to hand over data for legal cases. Don’t think that this is a uniquely American property. If your data sits on servers within the control of any company that operates in a country, that country can and will apply legal pressure upon those companies to extract the data.
- SideburnsOfDoom 8mo ago
  > Every government can and will compel companies within their jurisdiction to hand over data for legal cases. I'm not sure of your point. This is an excellent argument as to why the French government should run their government videoconferencing and chat on infrastructure in France, as they plan to do, isn't it? Using software that they have vetted. Regardless of if this is a "uniquely American" thing or not.
  - Aurornis 8mo ago
    Right. I’m not disagreeing with that. A country should run their official business on tools that aren’t trivially liable for extraction by foreign governments. The point was in response to the above comment. All governments can and will compel companies to turn over data. It’s often framed on HN as a feature of only American companies but it’s actually universal.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 8mo ago
      It happens that the major tech platforms are all US-based, so it's more relevant to talk about US government policy than any other. Even if they are all like that. But, in addition, the US government has recently become more pushy and less friendly than it was before, which is prompting many other nations to re-assess their dependence on the tech of what was until recently a close ally. The headline is an example. It seems to me more about "this foreign government is most relevant" than "only this foreign government is like that".
- yunnpp 8mo ago
  That's not the point. Yes, governments are sovereign within their territory. But the US can force any US company to hand over data, regardless of where that company has located the data center.

croon 8mo ago

https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-court-a4b4c02751ab84c09718b1b95cbd5db3 https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-co... > Microsoft, for example, cancelled Khan’s email address, forcing the prosecutor to move to Proton Mail, a Swiss email provider, ICC staffers said. His bank accounts in his home country of the U.K. have been blocked.

jesterson 8mo ago
I fail to see how that addresses my question
- bratwurst3000 8mo ago
  for example EU privacy laws can be ignored in the states with for example the cloud act. having control over software and infrastructure is protecting the rights of eu citizen in that regard.