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From what I hear, Ma made 1 speech critical of the government and Xi showed him his place. It was a few years, a year of total disappearance followed by slow re

From what I hear, Ma made 1 speech critical of the government and Xi showed him his place. It was a few years, a year of total disappearance followed by slow rehab. But China is different. Not sure most of western europe will go that far in most cases.

SanjayMehta 8mo ago
Trump kidnapped Maduro to show the latter his place, but then the US is neither China nor Western Europe so that does not count.
- almosthere 8mo ago
  Arrested and the vast majority of Venezuela love that it happened. https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/venezuela-survey-trump-maduro-removal-us-relations-poll/ https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/venezuela-survey-trump-ma...
  - SanjayMehta 8mo ago
    Rand Paul asked Rubio what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot. Every US President from Truman onwards is a war criminal. https://www.tampafp.com/rand-paul-and-marco-rubio-clash-over-maduro-capture-if-they-took-our-president/ https://www.tampafp.com/rand-paul-and-marco-rubio-clash-over...
    - foolserrandboy 8mo ago
      The people of the US mostly wouldn’t like it the people of VZ mostly did and consider Maduro a thug who lost and stayed in power not their president. Ideologies like Paul have trouble with exceptions to their world view.
      - SanjayMehta 8mo ago
        Ah, the "rules based disorder" on display: we do dis, you no do dis. Hypocrisy at its finest.
      - MYEUHD 8mo ago
        > the people of VZ mostly did and consider Maduro a thug who lost and stayed in power not their president. You got this information from American media (or their allies') In reality, Venezuelans flooded the streets in marches demanding the return of their president.
        terminalshort 8mo ago
        How many of them?
    - pyrale 8mo ago
      I never liked the Paul's and their opinions, but I must say that they usually speak according to their principles, rather than make up principles to fit what they want to happen. To me, that's the distinction between political opponents I can respect, and, well, whatever we're seeing now.
  - tyre 8mo ago
    I mean, come on, we kidnapped him. Yes, he was arrested, but we went into another sovereign nation with special forces and yoinked their head of state back to Brooklyn.
    - mrkstu 8mo ago
      To be fair he isn't legitimate head of state- he lost an election and is officially recognized as a usurper and the US had support of those who actually won.
      - platevoltage 8mo ago
        Large amounts of people call Joe Biden's election illegitimate. You could even say thats the official position of the current government. Would his kidnapping by a foreign nation be okay with you too?
      - SanjayMehta 8mo ago
        Even if that were true - I don't know nor care whether it is - what business is it of the US and Trump to mess around in other countries?
      - direwolf20 8mo ago
        Soke people argue Trump isn't a legitimate head of state. (One of those people is Trump, since he says he was already the president twice.) Should Xi kidnap him?
        stickfigure 8mo ago
        Please.
    - ImJamal 8mo ago
      He is not a legitimate head of state. He lost the election.
    - vintermann 8mo ago
      And also killed over hundred people don't forget that.
  - wanderer2323 8mo ago
    According to USA sources, USA actions are universally approved. Color me surprised.
  - isr 8mo ago
    Ah, so the daily LARGE protests, in Venezuela, against his kidnapping are not indicative of "the vast majority of Venezuela". But the celebratory pics, which were claimed to be from Venezuela, but were actually from Miami and elsewhere (including, I kid you not, an attempt to pass off Argentine's celebrating a Copa America win) ... that is indicative of "the vast majority of Venezuela"? If I were smarter, I might start to wonder why, if President Maduro was so unpopular, why would his abductors have to resort to fake footage - which was systematically outed & destroyed by independent journalists within 24 hours? I mean, surely, enough real footage should exist. Probably better not to have inconvenient non-US-approved independent thoughts like that.
    - deleted 8mo ago
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    - almosthere 8mo ago
      do you have links, all the chatgpt and gemini references I've seen show the large protest happened 1 time, not daily. And beyond that, the chatbots suggest it's overwhelming support for the arrest. There are no news sites claiming large daily protests that you claim.
  - TitaRusell 8mo ago
    The vast majority of France doesn't like Musk or the nonces that use GROK so let's not go there it's mob rule...

SanjayMehta 8mo ago

Trump kidnapped Maduro to show the latter his place, but then the US is neither China nor Western Europe so that does not count.

almosthere 8mo ago
Arrested and the vast majority of Venezuela love that it happened. https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/venezuela-survey-trump-maduro-removal-us-relations-poll/ https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/venezuela-survey-trump-ma...
- SanjayMehta 8mo ago
  Rand Paul asked Rubio what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot. Every US President from Truman onwards is a war criminal. https://www.tampafp.com/rand-paul-and-marco-rubio-clash-over-maduro-capture-if-they-took-our-president/ https://www.tampafp.com/rand-paul-and-marco-rubio-clash-over...
  - foolserrandboy 8mo ago
    The people of the US mostly wouldn’t like it the people of VZ mostly did and consider Maduro a thug who lost and stayed in power not their president. Ideologies like Paul have trouble with exceptions to their world view.
    - SanjayMehta 8mo ago
      Ah, the "rules based disorder" on display: we do dis, you no do dis. Hypocrisy at its finest.
    - MYEUHD 8mo ago
      > the people of VZ mostly did and consider Maduro a thug who lost and stayed in power not their president. You got this information from American media (or their allies') In reality, Venezuelans flooded the streets in marches demanding the return of their president.
      - terminalshort 8mo ago
        How many of them?
  - pyrale 8mo ago
    I never liked the Paul's and their opinions, but I must say that they usually speak according to their principles, rather than make up principles to fit what they want to happen. To me, that's the distinction between political opponents I can respect, and, well, whatever we're seeing now.
- tyre 8mo ago
  I mean, come on, we kidnapped him. Yes, he was arrested, but we went into another sovereign nation with special forces and yoinked their head of state back to Brooklyn.
  - mrkstu 8mo ago
    To be fair he isn't legitimate head of state- he lost an election and is officially recognized as a usurper and the US had support of those who actually won.
    - platevoltage 8mo ago
      Large amounts of people call Joe Biden's election illegitimate. You could even say thats the official position of the current government. Would his kidnapping by a foreign nation be okay with you too?
    - SanjayMehta 8mo ago
      Even if that were true - I don't know nor care whether it is - what business is it of the US and Trump to mess around in other countries?
    - direwolf20 8mo ago
      Soke people argue Trump isn't a legitimate head of state. (One of those people is Trump, since he says he was already the president twice.) Should Xi kidnap him?
      - stickfigure 8mo ago
        Please.
  - ImJamal 8mo ago
    He is not a legitimate head of state. He lost the election.
  - vintermann 8mo ago
    And also killed over hundred people don't forget that.
- wanderer2323 8mo ago
  According to USA sources, USA actions are universally approved. Color me surprised.
- isr 8mo ago
  Ah, so the daily LARGE protests, in Venezuela, against his kidnapping are not indicative of "the vast majority of Venezuela". But the celebratory pics, which were claimed to be from Venezuela, but were actually from Miami and elsewhere (including, I kid you not, an attempt to pass off Argentine's celebrating a Copa America win) ... that is indicative of "the vast majority of Venezuela"? If I were smarter, I might start to wonder why, if President Maduro was so unpopular, why would his abductors have to resort to fake footage - which was systematically outed & destroyed by independent journalists within 24 hours? I mean, surely, enough real footage should exist. Probably better not to have inconvenient non-US-approved independent thoughts like that.
  - deleted 8mo ago
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  - almosthere 8mo ago
    do you have links, all the chatgpt and gemini references I've seen show the large protest happened 1 time, not daily. And beyond that, the chatbots suggest it's overwhelming support for the arrest. There are no news sites claiming large daily protests that you claim.
- TitaRusell 8mo ago
  The vast majority of France doesn't like Musk or the nonces that use GROK so let's not go there it's mob rule...