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I was surprised by your claim that Wikipedia would categorize mild restrictions on immigration as an element of far-right politics, so I read that article to se
by antiframe 8mo ago
I was surprised by your claim that Wikipedia would categorize mild restrictions on immigration as an element of far-right politics, so I read that article to see it for myself. I didn't see anything about mild restrictions. Would you care to point out where you saw that?
- Uhhrrr 8mo ago[flagged]
- antiframe 8mo agoWell, far right is a spectrum, obviously. But a party that equates immigration of a particular religion as terrorism is not "mild immigration restrictions" in my reading. I cross-checked Wikipedia's information with another source: https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-election-is-it-correct-to-call-le-pen-and-bardella-far-right/666186 https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-election-is-it-c...
- Uhhrrr 8mo agoI don't know about that party, but National Rally doesn't say that, and also polls around 34% of French people. So it remains that the Wikipedia "far right" definition is a very wide spectrum.
- antiframe 8mo agoUm, the article I posted was about the same party. The BBC considers them far-right [1], Politico considers them far-right [2], Reuters considers them far-right [3], AP News considers them far-right [4], NBC News considers them far-right [5], the New York Times considers them far-right [6], Deutsche Welle considers them far-right [7]. I don't think the Wikipedia characterization is far off a pretty commonly held sentiment. You are of course, able to disagree and consider them far-left, center, or whatever label you want. You stated earlier that because Wikipedia called mild immigration reform far-right (which it did not to my reading, so you pointed to National Rally as an example) words don't mean anything. But words do mean things by consensus, and from my reading the consensus is that National Rally is far-right. Of course, many far-right (and far-left) thinkers consider themselves centrists or mild, so there will be disagreement. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxeee385en1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxeee385en1o [2]: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-faces-internal-split-over-russia/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-faces-inter... [3]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-far-right-waiting-wings-frances-crisis-unfolds-2025-10-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-far-right-waiti... [4]: https://apnews.com/article/france-election-le-pen-national-rally-antisemitism-cd02c4c834a69430e3194ec7629f36f9 https://apnews.com/article/france-election-le-pen-national-r... [5]: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/france-raid-far-right-national-rally-party-police-bardella-rcna217683 https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/france-raid-far-right-n... [6]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/world/europe/france-national-rally-policies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/world/europe/france-natio... [7]: https://www.dw.com/en/france-far-right-rally-after-marine-le-pens-conviction/a-72156118 https://www.dw.com/en/france-far-right-rally-after-marine-le...
- Uhhrrr 8mo agoThe article you posted said, "we just call them that because everyone else does". But there's also an obvious semantic fail when 34% of the electorate is "far right". This means (16% - half the moderate percentage) is on the non-far right. It implies that "far" is just meaningless cant.