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> fairly open platform where people can choose what to post and who to follow. It is well known Musk amplifies his own speech and the words of those he agrees

by latexr 9mo ago

> fairly open platform where people can choose what to post and who to follow. It is well known Musk amplifies his own speech and the words of those he agrees with on the platform, while banning those he doesn’t like. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/15/elon-musk-hypocrite-free-speech https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/15/elon-m... > could you clarify what the difference is between the near right and the far right? It’s called far-right because it’s further to the right (starting from the centre) than the right. Wikipedia is your friend, it offers plenty of examples and even helpfully lays out the full spectrum in a way even a five year old with a developmental impairment could understand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

Uhhrrr 9mo ago
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- antiframe 9mo ago
  I was surprised by your claim that Wikipedia would categorize mild restrictions on immigration as an element of far-right politics, so I read that article to see it for myself. I didn't see anything about mild restrictions. Would you care to point out where you saw that?
  - Uhhrrr 9mo ago
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    - antiframe 9mo ago
      Well, far right is a spectrum, obviously. But a party that equates immigration of a particular religion as terrorism is not "mild immigration restrictions" in my reading. I cross-checked Wikipedia's information with another source: https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-election-is-it-correct-to-call-le-pen-and-bardella-far-right/666186 https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-election-is-it-c...
      - Uhhrrr 9mo ago
        I don't know about that party, but National Rally doesn't say that, and also polls around 34% of French people. So it remains that the Wikipedia "far right" definition is a very wide spectrum.
        antiframe 9mo ago
        Um, the article I posted was about the same party. The BBC considers them far-right [1], Politico considers them far-right [2], Reuters considers them far-right [3], AP News considers them far-right [4], NBC News considers them far-right [5], the New York Times considers them far-right [6], Deutsche Welle considers them far-right [7]. I don't think the Wikipedia characterization is far off a pretty commonly held sentiment. You are of course, able to disagree and consider them far-left, center, or whatever label you want. You stated earlier that because Wikipedia called mild immigration reform far-right (which it did not to my reading, so you pointed to National Rally as an example) words don't mean anything. But words do mean things by consensus, and from my reading the consensus is that National Rally is far-right. Of course, many far-right (and far-left) thinkers consider themselves centrists or mild, so there will be disagreement. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxeee385en1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxeee385en1o [2]: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-faces-internal-split-over-russia/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-faces-inter... [3]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-far-right-waiting-wings-frances-crisis-unfolds-2025-10-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-far-right-waiti... [4]: https://apnews.com/article/france-election-le-pen-national-rally-antisemitism-cd02c4c834a69430e3194ec7629f36f9 https://apnews.com/article/france-election-le-pen-national-r... [5]: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/france-raid-far-right-national-rally-party-police-bardella-rcna217683 https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/france-raid-far-right-n... [6]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/world/europe/france-national-rally-policies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/world/europe/france-natio... [7]: https://www.dw.com/en/france-far-right-rally-after-marine-le-pens-conviction/a-72156118 https://www.dw.com/en/france-far-right-rally-after-marine-le...
        Uhhrrr 9mo ago
        The article you posted said, "we just call them that because everyone else does". But there's also an obvious semantic fail when 34% of the electorate is "far right". This means (16% - half the moderate percentage) is on the non-far right. It implies that "far" is just meaningless cant.

by latexr 9mo ago

Uhhrrr 9mo ago

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antiframe 9mo ago
I was surprised by your claim that Wikipedia would categorize mild restrictions on immigration as an element of far-right politics, so I read that article to see it for myself. I didn't see anything about mild restrictions. Would you care to point out where you saw that?
- Uhhrrr 9mo ago
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  - antiframe 9mo ago
    Well, far right is a spectrum, obviously. But a party that equates immigration of a particular religion as terrorism is not "mild immigration restrictions" in my reading. I cross-checked Wikipedia's information with another source: https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-election-is-it-correct-to-call-le-pen-and-bardella-far-right/666186 https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-election-is-it-c...
    - Uhhrrr 9mo ago
      I don't know about that party, but National Rally doesn't say that, and also polls around 34% of French people. So it remains that the Wikipedia "far right" definition is a very wide spectrum.
      - antiframe 9mo ago
        Um, the article I posted was about the same party. The BBC considers them far-right [1], Politico considers them far-right [2], Reuters considers them far-right [3], AP News considers them far-right [4], NBC News considers them far-right [5], the New York Times considers them far-right [6], Deutsche Welle considers them far-right [7]. I don't think the Wikipedia characterization is far off a pretty commonly held sentiment. You are of course, able to disagree and consider them far-left, center, or whatever label you want. You stated earlier that because Wikipedia called mild immigration reform far-right (which it did not to my reading, so you pointed to National Rally as an example) words don't mean anything. But words do mean things by consensus, and from my reading the consensus is that National Rally is far-right. Of course, many far-right (and far-left) thinkers consider themselves centrists or mild, so there will be disagreement. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxeee385en1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxeee385en1o [2]: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-faces-internal-split-over-russia/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-faces-inter... [3]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-far-right-waiting-wings-frances-crisis-unfolds-2025-10-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-far-right-waiti... [4]: https://apnews.com/article/france-election-le-pen-national-rally-antisemitism-cd02c4c834a69430e3194ec7629f36f9 https://apnews.com/article/france-election-le-pen-national-r... [5]: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/france-raid-far-right-national-rally-party-police-bardella-rcna217683 https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/france-raid-far-right-n... [6]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/world/europe/france-national-rally-policies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/world/europe/france-natio... [7]: https://www.dw.com/en/france-far-right-rally-after-marine-le-pens-conviction/a-72156118 https://www.dw.com/en/france-far-right-rally-after-marine-le...
        Uhhrrr 9mo ago
        The article you posted said, "we just call them that because everyone else does". But there's also an obvious semantic fail when 34% of the electorate is "far right". This means (16% - half the moderate percentage) is on the non-far right. It implies that "far" is just meaningless cant.