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Are you aware of the current efforts by researchers on Bluesky to build a new researchers platform on ATProto? (Forget the project name at the moment) If not,

Are you aware of the current efforts by researchers on Bluesky to build a new researchers platform on ATProto? (Forget the project name at the moment) If not, same handle over there, I can get you in touch with them. Or hit up Boris, he knows everyone and is happy to make connections There's also a full day at the upcoming conference on ATProto & scientific related things. I think they com on discourse more (?)

crimsoneer 9mo ago
Ooh no, please do, but would love to hear more!
- verdverm 9mo ago
  Go chime in and share your work here: https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-science-category/109 https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-s... That'll get us connected off HN I think Cosmik is the group I was thinking of that has also put out some initial poc like yourself
Johnny_Bonk 9mo ago
id also be curious to follow this if you have any links or resources
- verdverm 9mo ago
  This is probably a good jumping off point https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-science-category/109 https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-s...
nosuchthing 9mo ago
Isn't ATProto just a compromised version of Activity Pub, basically designed around an excuse to force all users into a data mining firehose structure like twitter used to have only there's no privacy features or federation for moderation controls?
- southerntofu 9mo ago
  Disclaimer: i'm rather hostile to ATProto for reinventing the wheel without bringing much value over AP/XMPP/Matrix. I don't think that's a fair characterization. Most AP implementations famously don't have privacy features: it was by design (and therefore no surprise to us tech folks), but i remember it was quite the scandal when users found out Mastodon instance admins could read users' private messages. A later "scandal" involved participation in the EUNOMIA research project about "provenance tracking" in federated networks [1], which to be fair to conspiracy theorists does sound like an academic front for NSA-style firehose R&D. That being said, Bluesky is much harder to selfhost and is therefore not decentralized in practice. [2] See also Blacksky development notes. However, Bluesky does bring a very interesting piece to the puzzle which AP carefully ignored despite years of research in AP-adjacent protocols (such as Hubzilla): account portability. All in all, i'm still siding on the ActivityPub ecosystem because i think it's much more ethical and friendly in all regards, and i'm really sad so many so-called journalists, researchers and leftists jumped ship to Bluesky just because the attraction of "Twitter reborn" (with the same startup nation vibes) was too strong. At least in my circles, i did not meet a single person who mentioned the choice of Bluesky was about UX or features. But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community. Much more so than AP. And to be fair to ATProto, it is worse than AP from a centralization standpoint, but at least it's not as bad and complex as the matrix protocol which brought 0 value over AP/XMPP but made implementations 100x more complex and resource-intensive. [1] https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/825171/reporting https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/825171/reporting [2] https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/ https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/
  - verdverm 9mo ago
    > But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community. I build in the ATmosphere because I want to effect change. AP was hostile, Nostr is for crypto bros. The @dev community is one of the strongest pieces and attractors One way I like to think about how the protocol is different is that they made a giant event system for the public content and then let anyone plug in anywhere they want https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers

crimsoneer 9mo ago

Ooh no, please do, but would love to hear more!

verdverm 9mo ago
Go chime in and share your work here: https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-science-category/109 https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-s... That'll get us connected off HN I think Cosmik is the group I was thinking of that has also put out some initial poc like yourself

Johnny_Bonk 9mo ago

id also be curious to follow this if you have any links or resources

verdverm 9mo ago
This is probably a good jumping off point https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-science-category/109 https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-s...

nosuchthing 9mo ago

Isn't ATProto just a compromised version of Activity Pub, basically designed around an excuse to force all users into a data mining firehose structure like twitter used to have only there's no privacy features or federation for moderation controls?

southerntofu 9mo ago
Disclaimer: i'm rather hostile to ATProto for reinventing the wheel without bringing much value over AP/XMPP/Matrix. I don't think that's a fair characterization. Most AP implementations famously don't have privacy features: it was by design (and therefore no surprise to us tech folks), but i remember it was quite the scandal when users found out Mastodon instance admins could read users' private messages. A later "scandal" involved participation in the EUNOMIA research project about "provenance tracking" in federated networks [1], which to be fair to conspiracy theorists does sound like an academic front for NSA-style firehose R&D. That being said, Bluesky is much harder to selfhost and is therefore not decentralized in practice. [2] See also Blacksky development notes. However, Bluesky does bring a very interesting piece to the puzzle which AP carefully ignored despite years of research in AP-adjacent protocols (such as Hubzilla): account portability. All in all, i'm still siding on the ActivityPub ecosystem because i think it's much more ethical and friendly in all regards, and i'm really sad so many so-called journalists, researchers and leftists jumped ship to Bluesky just because the attraction of "Twitter reborn" (with the same startup nation vibes) was too strong. At least in my circles, i did not meet a single person who mentioned the choice of Bluesky was about UX or features. But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community. Much more so than AP. And to be fair to ATProto, it is worse than AP from a centralization standpoint, but at least it's not as bad and complex as the matrix protocol which brought 0 value over AP/XMPP but made implementations 100x more complex and resource-intensive. [1] https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/825171/reporting https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/825171/reporting [2] https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/ https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/
- verdverm 9mo ago
  > But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community. I build in the ATmosphere because I want to effect change. AP was hostile, Nostr is for crypto bros. The @dev community is one of the strongest pieces and attractors One way I like to think about how the protocol is different is that they made a giant event system for the public content and then let anyone plug in anywhere they want https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers