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You can't impersonate Google. Sites check the source IP and they don't overlap with Google Cloud.

chrisjj 9mo ago
You can for sites that can't afford the cost of keeping up-to-date with the Google IP list without which they can lose timely indexing. That is many.
- otterley 9mo ago
  What do you mean by “afford the cost”? The list is free of charge (https://support.google.com/a/answer/10026322?hl=en-GB https://support.google.com/a/answer/10026322?hl=en-GB) and maintenance can be fully automated.
  - chrisjj 9mo ago
    I mean cost of server setup and execution.
    - otterley 9mo ago
      The server that is providing the content exists already. That's a sunk cost.
      - chrisjj 9mo ago
        "setup and execution".
        otterley 9mo ago
        What serious operator of a service isn't budgeting time to implement and operate critical maintenance functions?
        chrisjj 9mo ago
        Me for one. Adding an auto-updating IP address blocker to my personal blog site would probably cost more than setting up the whole site did in the first place.
        mr_mitm 9mo ago
        We're talking about sites that make their living via subscriptions. They should have a great interest at blocking archive.is, which is, by the way, the only service that can reliably bypass many paywalls. Clearly whatever they're doing is not easily replicated.
        chrisjj 9mo ago
        > We're talking about sites that make their living via subscriptions. Sorry, but I wasn't. I thought that was clear from "can't afford the cost of keeping up-to-date with the Google IP list". > They should have a great interest at blocking archive.is Agreed, and many should have a budget to suit. So I conclude archive.is has put a lot of effort and cost into its defence. And all for free to us, the users.
        otterley 9mo ago
        Have you actually priced it, or are you just guessing? Are you doing regular patching? Automated restarts? Watching for security breaches? Or just praying it stays up forever? Otherwise, respectfully, I would not classify you as a "serious operator." Your site could live or die, and it would be all the same to you. Or, you've handed it to a third party for management and they don't offer much in the way of resilience or stability.
wolvoleo 9mo ago
Google isn't the only search engine in the world of course. It probably is pretty much the only one that matters in America but the world is not just America either.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  It's the only one websites don't block. That's one reason it's so hard to make another search engine.

You can for sites that can't afford the cost of keeping up-to-date with the Google IP list without which they can lose timely indexing. That is many.

otterley 9mo ago
What do you mean by “afford the cost”? The list is free of charge (https://support.google.com/a/answer/10026322?hl=en-GB https://support.google.com/a/answer/10026322?hl=en-GB) and maintenance can be fully automated.
- chrisjj 9mo ago
  I mean cost of server setup and execution.
  - otterley 9mo ago
    The server that is providing the content exists already. That's a sunk cost.
    - chrisjj 9mo ago
      "setup and execution".
      - otterley 9mo ago
        What serious operator of a service isn't budgeting time to implement and operate critical maintenance functions?
        chrisjj 9mo ago
        Me for one. Adding an auto-updating IP address blocker to my personal blog site would probably cost more than setting up the whole site did in the first place.
        mr_mitm 9mo ago
        We're talking about sites that make their living via subscriptions. They should have a great interest at blocking archive.is, which is, by the way, the only service that can reliably bypass many paywalls. Clearly whatever they're doing is not easily replicated.
        chrisjj 9mo ago
        > We're talking about sites that make their living via subscriptions. Sorry, but I wasn't. I thought that was clear from "can't afford the cost of keeping up-to-date with the Google IP list". > They should have a great interest at blocking archive.is Agreed, and many should have a budget to suit. So I conclude archive.is has put a lot of effort and cost into its defence. And all for free to us, the users.
        otterley 9mo ago
        Have you actually priced it, or are you just guessing? Are you doing regular patching? Automated restarts? Watching for security breaches? Or just praying it stays up forever? Otherwise, respectfully, I would not classify you as a "serious operator." Your site could live or die, and it would be all the same to you. Or, you've handed it to a third party for management and they don't offer much in the way of resilience or stability.

wolvoleo 9mo ago

Google isn't the only search engine in the world of course. It probably is pretty much the only one that matters in America but the world is not just America either.

direwolf20 9mo ago
It's the only one websites don't block. That's one reason it's so hard to make another search engine.