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This area is very interesting and lots of this is on the money. That said, I think there are some places where it overreaches and possibly verges on fear monger
by KempyKolibri 9mo ago
This area is very interesting and lots of this is on the money. That said, I think there are some places where it overreaches and possibly verges on fear mongering based on pretty weak evidence.
I'm not sure NSS are necessarily "healthwashing" - they are genuinely a healthier alternative, at least in SSBs. Pointing to some very speculative research about "gut microbiome disruption" as if that somehow means NSS are something we should be concerned about in our diet doesn't seem to reflect the body of evidence on the subject. On balance they seem to be either a neutral or beneficial product, depending on what they replace in the diet.
I think one important distinction between UPF and cigarettes is that we have lots of examples of healthy UPFs. Are there any such examples for cigarettes? Even those researchers who voice concerns about the health impacts of UPFs (Kevin Hall, Samuel Dicken) seem to be largely interested in identifying _which_ UPFs might drive poor health outcomes and why, so we can regulate industry to make their products more health promoting.
My concern with this analogy between cigarettes and UPFs is that we end up with a movement to completely ban UPFs when they have lots of useful properties (can be stored at ambient temperature, long shelf life, reliable quality) that make them very important for people with limited means. The dream scenario, IMO, is that we regulate out the worst of the harmful properties, rather than trying to get rid of them entirely (which I think is the dream scenario with cigarettes).
- walthamstow 9mo ago> The dream scenario, IMO, is that we regulate out the worst of the harmful properties, rather than trying to get rid of them entirely (which I think is the dream scenario with cigarettes). Isn't that basically vapes? A nicotine delivery mechanism without the most harmful properties, created by regulation on tobacco. The thing with tobacco is it doesn't really have any benefit. It isn't a social lubricant like alcohol and doesn't have medical use like opiates. Old World societies managed fine before tobacco.
- deaux 9mo ago> It isn't a social lubricant like alcohol It is, and I'm not a smoker. Ironically mainly because of the indoor smoking bans.
- walthamstow 9mo agoSounds like the sociability comes from making people stand in an enclosed space together, usually outside a pub, rather than smoking tobacco.
- deaux 9mo agoYup, though outside the workplace is usually the bigger one - might depend on the country. It's just not going to happen without tobacco though.
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- walthamstow 9mo agoYou can achieve the same by pulling the fire alarm and making everyone stand outside.
- KempyKolibri 9mo agoFair point! I’m not that woke on the relative health impacts of vaping but agree that the positive impact of vaping is not akin to that of actual food, no matter how processed.