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I am not sure we can take a slogan from 2007 as a state of the art understanding. But I am biased. I‘ve seen this slogan everywhere to promote UPFs that claim

I am not sure we can take a slogan from 2007 as a state of the art understanding. But I am biased. I‘ve seen this slogan everywhere to promote UPFs that claim to be healthy because they are „vegan“. Now that the market for meat alternatives has collapsed I don’t see this reasoning anymore. What a strange coincidence.

n4r9 9mo ago
> the market for meat alternatives has collapsed What country are you reporting from? It seems to be absolutely booming in the UK. A brief internet search suggests it's growing and predicted to boom in the US as well.
- vanviegen 9mo ago
  Yeah, though my Beyond Meat shares beg to differ on that. Down 95%!
  - n4r9 9mo ago
    That could be due to increasing competition? They had high brand awareness during the 2010s but (in the UK at least) we're seeing competitors like This and Alt, as well as cheap own-brand versions, coming onto the shelves in a big way.
KempyKolibri 9mo ago
UPF meat substitutes do tend to be healthier than their meat-based equivalent (see the SWAP-MEAT trial, for example).
- array_key_first 9mo ago
  I think people really underestimate how bad meat is for you. It's extremely high in saturated fat and lots of meat is carcinogenic. We classify bacon in the same category of carcinogen as alcohol and tobacco. Meaning, we know, for sure, it causes cancer.
  - KempyKolibri 9mo ago
    Yeah, IMO there’s a continuum between lean meats that I’d classify as relatively middle-of-the-road healthwise (like chicken), and processed red meat (pretty adverse health outcomes even from small amounts), and the fact that there’s a “butter and bacon are health foods” movement seems insane to me. Unfortunately trends towards plant-based food seem to have taken a step backwards in recent years and I suspect the current moral panic around UPFs hasn’t helped. But the evidence on UPFs as harmful is pretty tenuous at the moment, while the evidence on meat and adverse health effects is considerably more comprehensive.
fuzzfactor 9mo ago
>I am not sure we can take a slogan from 2007 as a state of the art Me neither, I prefer common knowledge that has stood the test of time for a lot longer, like about 100 years more. Not my downvote btw, corrective upvote actually.

n4r9 9mo ago

> the market for meat alternatives has collapsed What country are you reporting from? It seems to be absolutely booming in the UK. A brief internet search suggests it's growing and predicted to boom in the US as well.

vanviegen 9mo ago
Yeah, though my Beyond Meat shares beg to differ on that. Down 95%!
- n4r9 9mo ago
  That could be due to increasing competition? They had high brand awareness during the 2010s but (in the UK at least) we're seeing competitors like This and Alt, as well as cheap own-brand versions, coming onto the shelves in a big way.

KempyKolibri 9mo ago

UPF meat substitutes do tend to be healthier than their meat-based equivalent (see the SWAP-MEAT trial, for example).

array_key_first 9mo ago
I think people really underestimate how bad meat is for you. It's extremely high in saturated fat and lots of meat is carcinogenic. We classify bacon in the same category of carcinogen as alcohol and tobacco. Meaning, we know, for sure, it causes cancer.
- KempyKolibri 9mo ago
  Yeah, IMO there’s a continuum between lean meats that I’d classify as relatively middle-of-the-road healthwise (like chicken), and processed red meat (pretty adverse health outcomes even from small amounts), and the fact that there’s a “butter and bacon are health foods” movement seems insane to me. Unfortunately trends towards plant-based food seem to have taken a step backwards in recent years and I suspect the current moral panic around UPFs hasn’t helped. But the evidence on UPFs as harmful is pretty tenuous at the moment, while the evidence on meat and adverse health effects is considerably more comprehensive.

fuzzfactor 9mo ago

>I am not sure we can take a slogan from 2007 as a state of the art Me neither, I prefer common knowledge that has stood the test of time for a lot longer, like about 100 years more. Not my downvote btw, corrective upvote actually.