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It's a puzzling situation: - The DDoS was certainly unethical and unneeded - Although the blog post only shows an extremely one-sided version of the story by

by m132 8mo ago

It's a puzzling situation: - The DDoS was certainly unethical and unneeded - Although the blog post only shows an extremely one-sided version of the story by skipping straight to the threats, there are reasons to think that diplomacy has also failed terribly - The website owner has all eyes of the "thought police" on them, and given the current political situation in Russia, it's more than likely they reside somewhere where it has real power; realistically speaking, who wouldn't be losing it? - The blog post is preserving information that could aid further investigations even if purged from the original sources, and reveals non-OSINT information in the follow ups - At the same time, it's, to say the least, hypocritical of the archive.today owner to attempt forcefully taking the original post down, when archive.today itself is an OSINT tool I don't think there's a way to fairly untangle this mess anymore. Hence, I'd focus on the possible outcomes: do we want archive.today taken down over this? Who would lose and who would benefit the most from this takedown?

gyrovague-com 8mo ago
Gyrovague here. As linked in the blog entry, you can view both sides of the email correspondence here: https://pastes.io/correspond https://pastes.io/correspond As for outcomes, I'm very much a bit player/spectator in this drama, nobody's going to be "taking them down" over DDOSing an obscure nerd blog. If they do go down, it'll be the FBI or equivalent, and it will be publicly justified as some combination of "protecting the children" (cf. WAAD) and/or copyright violations.
- m132 8mo ago
  > As linked in the blog entry, you can view both sides of the email correspondence here: https://pastes.io/correspond https://pastes.io/correspond Thanks, I must have missed this. > [...] nobody's going to be "taking them down" over DDOSing an obscure nerd blog. > If they do go down, it'll be the FBI or equivalent, and it will be publicly justified as some combination of "protecting the children" (cf. WAAD) and/or copyright violations. Yes, this is exactly what I fear. That we might be playing into the hands of the greater evil by escalating a small, personal conflict.
  - nanamahendra 8mo ago
    it is not a small personal conflict, it is two years of non-stop escalation, gyrovague not only wrote the doxx, he is obsessively pushes it to the media: 2023: https://boingboing.net/2023/08/05/the-internets-other-archive.html https://boingboing.net/2023/08/05/the-internets-other-archiv... 2024: https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20240326-archive-today/ https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20240326-archive-today/ 2025: the FBI story on many news sites all these media articles are about gyrovague, archive doxx here is only fuel to promote gyrovague's blog it must be stopped somehow
DoctorOW 8mo ago
> Do we want archive.today taken down over this? I don't think that's on the table. I would say use this as your incentive to support archive.org, who has proven much more accountable. Archive.Today is weaponizing their traffic, and reducing traffic is the best way to deal with it. Vote with your feet.
- m132 8mo ago
  I don't think these two are exactly equivalent. Internet Archive is a registered non-profit organization. It is more trustworthy and accountable, but it cannot realistically stand against government-imposed censorship. We've seen this unfold before with Twitter and Meta, partly with Telegram. Archive.today may be similar on the surface, but if you take a closer look, it's actually an underground "evil twin" that has all the right tools to publish information the governments and the largest of companies want silenced. Ideally, there would be no such information in the first place. However, the reality is that this classification has only been broadened to cover more content since the invention of the Internet, regardless of which political parties are in power. The fact that the owner of Archive.today is chased by the FBI even though the website already blocks archival of the kinds of content all of us would unanimously find disturbing speaks for itself.
  - Duwensatzaj 8mo ago
    Internet Archive's trustworthiness took a hit when they waded into fact checking - https://blog.archive.org/2020/10/30/fact-checks-and-context-for-wayback-machine-pages/ https://blog.archive.org/2020/10/30/fact-checks-and-context-... and wiping content they disapproved of - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32743325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32743325
    - marxisttemp 8mo ago
      All your comments are right wing shilling
    - sofixa 8mo ago
      > content they disapproved of > Looks inside > Literal scum of the earth engaging in coordinated harassment campaigns to get people they hate kill themselves, and celebrating their "success" Sure, the problem with Kiwi Farms is that people "disprove of them", not what they disprove of. KF were even blocked by CloudFlare, who have a very strong neutrality policy, that's how toxic, hateful and illegal they were.

by m132 8mo ago

gyrovague-com 8mo ago

Gyrovague here. As linked in the blog entry, you can view both sides of the email correspondence here: https://pastes.io/correspond https://pastes.io/correspond As for outcomes, I'm very much a bit player/spectator in this drama, nobody's going to be "taking them down" over DDOSing an obscure nerd blog. If they do go down, it'll be the FBI or equivalent, and it will be publicly justified as some combination of "protecting the children" (cf. WAAD) and/or copyright violations.

m132 8mo ago
> As linked in the blog entry, you can view both sides of the email correspondence here: https://pastes.io/correspond https://pastes.io/correspond Thanks, I must have missed this. > [...] nobody's going to be "taking them down" over DDOSing an obscure nerd blog. > If they do go down, it'll be the FBI or equivalent, and it will be publicly justified as some combination of "protecting the children" (cf. WAAD) and/or copyright violations. Yes, this is exactly what I fear. That we might be playing into the hands of the greater evil by escalating a small, personal conflict.
- nanamahendra 8mo ago
  it is not a small personal conflict, it is two years of non-stop escalation, gyrovague not only wrote the doxx, he is obsessively pushes it to the media: 2023: https://boingboing.net/2023/08/05/the-internets-other-archive.html https://boingboing.net/2023/08/05/the-internets-other-archiv... 2024: https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20240326-archive-today/ https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20240326-archive-today/ 2025: the FBI story on many news sites all these media articles are about gyrovague, archive doxx here is only fuel to promote gyrovague's blog it must be stopped somehow

DoctorOW 8mo ago

> Do we want archive.today taken down over this? I don't think that's on the table. I would say use this as your incentive to support archive.org, who has proven much more accountable. Archive.Today is weaponizing their traffic, and reducing traffic is the best way to deal with it. Vote with your feet.

m132 8mo ago
I don't think these two are exactly equivalent. Internet Archive is a registered non-profit organization. It is more trustworthy and accountable, but it cannot realistically stand against government-imposed censorship. We've seen this unfold before with Twitter and Meta, partly with Telegram. Archive.today may be similar on the surface, but if you take a closer look, it's actually an underground "evil twin" that has all the right tools to publish information the governments and the largest of companies want silenced. Ideally, there would be no such information in the first place. However, the reality is that this classification has only been broadened to cover more content since the invention of the Internet, regardless of which political parties are in power. The fact that the owner of Archive.today is chased by the FBI even though the website already blocks archival of the kinds of content all of us would unanimously find disturbing speaks for itself.
- Duwensatzaj 8mo ago
  Internet Archive's trustworthiness took a hit when they waded into fact checking - https://blog.archive.org/2020/10/30/fact-checks-and-context-for-wayback-machine-pages/ https://blog.archive.org/2020/10/30/fact-checks-and-context-... and wiping content they disapproved of - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32743325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32743325
  - marxisttemp 8mo ago
    All your comments are right wing shilling
  - sofixa 8mo ago
    > content they disapproved of > Looks inside > Literal scum of the earth engaging in coordinated harassment campaigns to get people they hate kill themselves, and celebrating their "success" Sure, the problem with Kiwi Farms is that people "disprove of them", not what they disprove of. KF were even blocked by CloudFlare, who have a very strong neutrality policy, that's how toxic, hateful and illegal they were.