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You are so vague in your attack on Unix approach that it's borderline trolling. What are your problems with it? Modularity and minimalism have been working perf

You are so vague in your attack on Unix approach that it's borderline trolling. What are your problems with it? Modularity and minimalism have been working perfectly and that systemd does not follow them is a bad thing.

pjmlp 9mo ago
There is a book on that, gets posted every now and then on HN. In case you never read it, https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf Hardly the piece of OS beauty that gets praised about FOSS circles.
- rusk 9mo ago
  I love that book but isn’t it nearly 30 years old?
  - pjmlp 9mo ago
    And yet many of the pain points are still kind of relevant, go figure.
- fsflover 9mo ago
  I'm not talking about the OS though but about the approach.
  - pjmlp 9mo ago
    Goes to both, otherwise UNIX authors would not have tried to improve their creations, working on successors to both UNIX and C.
- krautburglar 9mo ago
  But that book is a waste. It is just MIT dunning-krugerites who were salty that LISP machines never took off. When it comes to real life, the bell labs approach won, and for several good reasons. Not "worse is better" (another dunning-krugerite cope), but "less is more."
  - prathamtharwani 9mo ago
    But your comment is a waste. It is just HN dunning-krugerites who were salty that the UNIX way never took off. When it comes to real life, the Poettering approach won, and for several good reasons.
    - krautburglar 9mo ago
      The UNIX way is still doing fine on OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Alpine, Gentoo... Poetteringware only won on the distros selling support contracts. "Fixing" what wasn't broken is great for those businesses.
    - fsflover 9mo ago
      > for several good reasons Such as money from M$?
  - pjmlp 9mo ago
    Turns out free beer is great, even when it is warm.
    - its_magic 9mo ago
      The only good beer is warm beer. If the beer tastes like shit when it's warm, it's not good beer.
    - krautburglar 9mo ago
      From your perspective, what would be an "OS done right"? I have a running list of things I would change in Unix, but replacing sysvinit with systemd's one-ring-to-rule-them-all would not be on it.

pjmlp 9mo ago

There is a book on that, gets posted every now and then on HN. In case you never read it, https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf Hardly the piece of OS beauty that gets praised about FOSS circles.

rusk 9mo ago
I love that book but isn’t it nearly 30 years old?
- pjmlp 9mo ago
  And yet many of the pain points are still kind of relevant, go figure.
fsflover 9mo ago
I'm not talking about the OS though but about the approach.
- pjmlp 9mo ago
  Goes to both, otherwise UNIX authors would not have tried to improve their creations, working on successors to both UNIX and C.
krautburglar 9mo ago
But that book is a waste. It is just MIT dunning-krugerites who were salty that LISP machines never took off. When it comes to real life, the bell labs approach won, and for several good reasons. Not "worse is better" (another dunning-krugerite cope), but "less is more."
- prathamtharwani 9mo ago
  But your comment is a waste. It is just HN dunning-krugerites who were salty that the UNIX way never took off. When it comes to real life, the Poettering approach won, and for several good reasons.
  - krautburglar 9mo ago
    The UNIX way is still doing fine on OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, Alpine, Gentoo... Poetteringware only won on the distros selling support contracts. "Fixing" what wasn't broken is great for those businesses.
  - fsflover 9mo ago
    > for several good reasons Such as money from M$?
- pjmlp 9mo ago
  Turns out free beer is great, even when it is warm.
  - its_magic 9mo ago
    The only good beer is warm beer. If the beer tastes like shit when it's warm, it's not good beer.
  - krautburglar 9mo ago
    From your perspective, what would be an "OS done right"? I have a running list of things I would change in Unix, but replacing sysvinit with systemd's one-ring-to-rule-them-all would not be on it.