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Let's be more precise. The TSA has created extra work for themselves, and are charging us for it, whether it's legally required or not (because they pretend tha

by eitally 8mo ago

Let's be more precise. The TSA has created extra work for themselves, and are charging us for it, whether it's legally required or not (because they pretend that it is).

crazygringo 8mo ago
Sure. But it's not "pretend". It's genuine regulatory policy they've created because they believe it's necessary for security, and this has been a decades-long project. The article is arguing they don't ultimately have the legal authority to make that regulatory policy. Maybe that'll go to court and be tested, maybe they'll win and maybe they'll lose. If they lose, maybe Congress will pass explicit legislative authorization the next day, and maybe that'll be brought to court, and the Supreme Court will have to decide if it violates the 14th amendment or not. But it's not "fake work", it's actually doing a thing.
- forgetfreeman 8mo ago
  I mean I could hire someone to continuously dig and refill the a hole in the ground. That would certainly be them doing a thing, but it would also definitely be fake work. There's been plenty of rhetoric thrown around but no real evidence has been produced that suggests the TSA isn't engaging in a bit of circular digging at the taxpayer's expense with this.
  - throwaway7783 8mo ago
    Ah, digging holes and refilling them - that'd be literally the NREGA program in India
- ehasbrouck 8mo ago
  No, it's not "regulatory policy". It's been done entirely with some combination of secret "Security Directives" and "rulemaking by press release". As the article and the linked references explain, the TSA never issued any regulations, published any of the required notices, or obtained any of the approvals that would have been required even if Congress had passed an (unconstitutional) authorizing statute (which it didn't).
- nobody9999 8mo ago
  As I mentioned[0] a few months ago after the TSA announced the $45 "fee": ...The courts have repeatedly struck down limits on domestic travel over the past couple hundred years. In fact, the $45 "fee" is an acknowledgment that you aren't required to have special documents to travel within the US. Otherwise, they just wouldn't let you travel. So instead, they're making more security theater and punishing you if you don't comply with their demands... And now the birds are coming home to roost. No real surprise there, IMHO. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46128346 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46128346
- Spooky23 8mo ago
  No. Policy or regulation would have a basis in law. This administration has aptly demonstrated their contempt for the law. Nobody gives a shit about some grunt federal employee getting extra work. This is just a way to compel compliance and to push the agenda for ID with higher documentary requirements, ultimately to deny the vote.
Taniwha 8mo ago
It's security theatre, someone has to pay the performers

by eitally 8mo ago

Let's be more precise. The TSA has created extra work for themselves, and are charging us for it, whether it's legally required or not (because they pretend that it is).

crazygringo 8mo ago

Sure. But it's not "pretend". It's genuine regulatory policy they've created because they believe it's necessary for security, and this has been a decades-long project. The article is arguing they don't ultimately have the legal authority to make that regulatory policy. Maybe that'll go to court and be tested, maybe they'll win and maybe they'll lose. If they lose, maybe Congress will pass explicit legislative authorization the next day, and maybe that'll be brought to court, and the Supreme Court will have to decide if it violates the 14th amendment or not. But it's not "fake work", it's actually doing a thing.

forgetfreeman 8mo ago
I mean I could hire someone to continuously dig and refill the a hole in the ground. That would certainly be them doing a thing, but it would also definitely be fake work. There's been plenty of rhetoric thrown around but no real evidence has been produced that suggests the TSA isn't engaging in a bit of circular digging at the taxpayer's expense with this.
- throwaway7783 8mo ago
  Ah, digging holes and refilling them - that'd be literally the NREGA program in India
ehasbrouck 8mo ago
No, it's not "regulatory policy". It's been done entirely with some combination of secret "Security Directives" and "rulemaking by press release". As the article and the linked references explain, the TSA never issued any regulations, published any of the required notices, or obtained any of the approvals that would have been required even if Congress had passed an (unconstitutional) authorizing statute (which it didn't).
nobody9999 8mo ago
As I mentioned[0] a few months ago after the TSA announced the $45 "fee": ...The courts have repeatedly struck down limits on domestic travel over the past couple hundred years. In fact, the $45 "fee" is an acknowledgment that you aren't required to have special documents to travel within the US. Otherwise, they just wouldn't let you travel. So instead, they're making more security theater and punishing you if you don't comply with their demands... And now the birds are coming home to roost. No real surprise there, IMHO. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46128346 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46128346
Spooky23 8mo ago
No. Policy or regulation would have a basis in law. This administration has aptly demonstrated their contempt for the law. Nobody gives a shit about some grunt federal employee getting extra work. This is just a way to compel compliance and to push the agenda for ID with higher documentary requirements, ultimately to deny the vote.

Taniwha 8mo ago

It's security theatre, someone has to pay the performers