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Amazon isn't much better there. Wait until you hit an EC2 quota limit and can't get anyone to look at it quickly (even under paid enterprise support) or they sa

by dgxyz 9mo ago

Amazon isn't much better there. Wait until you hit an EC2 quota limit and can't get anyone to look at it quickly (even under paid enterprise support) or they say no. Also had a few instance types which won't spin up in some regions/AZs recently. I assume this is capacity issues.

paulddraper 9mo ago
The cloud isn’t some infinite thing. There’s a bunch of hardware, and they can’t run more servers than they have hardware. I don’t see a way around that.
- ApolloFortyNine 9mo ago
  I was surprised hitting one of these limits once, but it wasn't as if they were 100% out of servers, just had to pick a different node type. I don't think they would ever post their numbers, but some of the more exotic types definitely have less in the pool.
  - theMMaI 9mo ago
    If you work at AWS in a technical role you can check the capacity of each pool in each AZ using an internal tool. Previously the main reason for pool exhaustion was automated jobs at the start of each working day as well as instance slotting issues (releasing a 4xl but only re-allocating a l means you now cannot slot another 4xl).
  - jamesfinlayson 9mo ago
    Yeah heard of this happening once too - I think someone at work was trying to spin up a few of some really old instance type.
- kavalg 9mo ago
  Indeed, but many people were led to believe so.
  - paulddraper 9mo ago
    I guess account limits would be surprising then :)
    - kavalg 9mo ago
      Perception changes with every next generation. For the last 8 years, I've been teaching at the Faculty of Mathematics and Informatics at our University. One of the courses that I lead is IoT, where students get to program on bare metal (embedded) systems. I noticed that newer (cloud) generations have a harder time accepting the constraints of embedded hardware and living with them.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
  Really prefer Hetzner in this sense because they actually talk about limits. I recently got myself a hetzner account (after shilling it for so much, hearing positivity, I felt like it was time for me to discover it) I wanted to try out the most cheapest option out of frugality & that was actually limited (but kudos to them that they mentioned that these servers have limits) so no worries I went and picked the 5.99 euro instead of the 3.99 euro option instead. They also have limits option itself as a settings iirc and it shows you all the limits that are imposed in a transparent manner and my account's young so I can't request for limit increases but after some time, one definitely can. Essentially I love this idea because essentially Cloud is just someone's else's hardware and there is no infinitium. But I feel as if it can come pretty close with hetzner (and I have heard some great things about OVH and have a good personal experience with netcup vps but netcup's payments were really PITA to setup]
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    Hetzner is a dedicated server (meaning monthly contract, 1 month setup fee and up to 1 week delivery time) company that branched out into cloud, so it's not that surprising they treat cloud a bit like that. While Amazon wants you to think they have an infinite capacity pool, and any failure to get a server is an unexpected error, Hetzner seems to not hide they have a finite number of servers in a finite number of racks, since that's how their main business works.
    - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
      I guess its understandable now the reasons why Amazon might want to do this. Similar to hetzner, I haven't used OVH but does it also have limits or how do they follow? Out of pure curiosity, Is there anything aside from the three hyperscaler trifecta which doesn't show limits too?
      - direwolf20 9mo ago
        Nobody really shows their global limits including Hetzner. Hetzner doesn't, like, call it a secret internal error when they run out of capacity of a type.
direwolf20 9mo ago
Quota limits are much less stupid than this

by dgxyz 9mo ago

paulddraper 9mo ago

The cloud isn’t some infinite thing. There’s a bunch of hardware, and they can’t run more servers than they have hardware. I don’t see a way around that.

ApolloFortyNine 9mo ago
I was surprised hitting one of these limits once, but it wasn't as if they were 100% out of servers, just had to pick a different node type. I don't think they would ever post their numbers, but some of the more exotic types definitely have less in the pool.
- theMMaI 9mo ago
  If you work at AWS in a technical role you can check the capacity of each pool in each AZ using an internal tool. Previously the main reason for pool exhaustion was automated jobs at the start of each working day as well as instance slotting issues (releasing a 4xl but only re-allocating a l means you now cannot slot another 4xl).
- jamesfinlayson 9mo ago
  Yeah heard of this happening once too - I think someone at work was trying to spin up a few of some really old instance type.
kavalg 9mo ago
Indeed, but many people were led to believe so.
- paulddraper 9mo ago
  I guess account limits would be surprising then :)
  - kavalg 9mo ago
    Perception changes with every next generation. For the last 8 years, I've been teaching at the Faculty of Mathematics and Informatics at our University. One of the courses that I lead is IoT, where students get to program on bare metal (embedded) systems. I noticed that newer (cloud) generations have a harder time accepting the constraints of embedded hardware and living with them.
Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
Really prefer Hetzner in this sense because they actually talk about limits. I recently got myself a hetzner account (after shilling it for so much, hearing positivity, I felt like it was time for me to discover it) I wanted to try out the most cheapest option out of frugality & that was actually limited (but kudos to them that they mentioned that these servers have limits) so no worries I went and picked the 5.99 euro instead of the 3.99 euro option instead. They also have limits option itself as a settings iirc and it shows you all the limits that are imposed in a transparent manner and my account's young so I can't request for limit increases but after some time, one definitely can. Essentially I love this idea because essentially Cloud is just someone's else's hardware and there is no infinitium. But I feel as if it can come pretty close with hetzner (and I have heard some great things about OVH and have a good personal experience with netcup vps but netcup's payments were really PITA to setup]
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  Hetzner is a dedicated server (meaning monthly contract, 1 month setup fee and up to 1 week delivery time) company that branched out into cloud, so it's not that surprising they treat cloud a bit like that. While Amazon wants you to think they have an infinite capacity pool, and any failure to get a server is an unexpected error, Hetzner seems to not hide they have a finite number of servers in a finite number of racks, since that's how their main business works.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    I guess its understandable now the reasons why Amazon might want to do this. Similar to hetzner, I haven't used OVH but does it also have limits or how do they follow? Out of pure curiosity, Is there anything aside from the three hyperscaler trifecta which doesn't show limits too?
    - direwolf20 9mo ago
      Nobody really shows their global limits including Hetzner. Hetzner doesn't, like, call it a secret internal error when they run out of capacity of a type.

direwolf20 9mo ago

Quota limits are much less stupid than this