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well Tesla did jump start the EV revolution not life altering but is pretty important. IF SpaceX gets spaceship right that will be a huge leap forward.

by qaq 8mo ago

bigwheels 8mo ago
Sir, your comment appears to qualify as "moving the goal post". TSLA never delivered a single inexpensive electric vehicle, and just last week abandoned all high-end efforts (S/X/CT discontinued). All TSLA manufactures now are overpriced "meh" transport boxes. Yes, TSLA was early, and now they are far, far behind the competition. Can we evaluate based on the stated goals, or why does the criteria keep shifting?
- qaq 8mo ago
  Tesla's goal was to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy by building a comprehensive ecosystem of electric vehicles (EVs), solar generation, and battery storage. Looks to me they delivered on 2 of the 3
  - jacquesm 8mo ago
    And now Tesla is hindering that transition.
    - qaq 8mo ago
      Sure by building largest charging network and allowing to use their patents they are hindering that transition really badley.
      - jacquesm 8mo ago
        No, by blocking other entrants to the US market through Elon's personal connections with the administration.
        qaq 8mo ago
        there are 100+ EV models available in US. The only "blocked" entries are Chinese brands which are skirting tariffs by using owned European brands e.g. Polestar, Volvo etc.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
    Yeah keep believing that...they wanted to become the Standard oil / Microsoft of EVs. But they failed to achieve the market share of Microsoft and not to mention the lackuster significance of EVs compared to Personal Computers and GUI You can attack Tesla and Musk from 1000s different angles due to their shananigans except the one true badge of honor for a company and CEO: Sherman Act / Anti Trust for 90+ % market share in a sector which ought to be competitive
    - qaq 8mo ago
      You provided literally 0 arguments to outline how they failed to achieve their stated goals.
      - JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
        It's implied. Everybody who does startups is competitive. Everybody who does a startup in SV is hypercompetitive. You think the goal was to be the first through the glass take all the cuts that go with it and then pave the way for BYD ? Tesla is no Apple, no Microsoft no Standard Oil. Valuations might make superficial people think that it , but it ain't
        qaq 8mo ago
        I explicitly posted their stated goal and you are resorting to extreme mental gymnastics to create a straw man. under 0.01% of all startups reach valuation of 10B less than 0.0001% of startups reach valuation of 100B
        JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
        Tesla is no longer a startup. Again, tech company, startup, visionary...all these definitions are being used but in reality we are talking about a company founded back in 2001 Also I specifically stated that people who look at valuations are those who fall for narratives as opposed to looking look the impact that a company or a product has on their lives. I remember life before Microsoft's Windows 95, I remember life before the iPhone, before Google, I remember life before Facebook, I remember life before Amazon became ubuquitous, before Uber.... It was a completely different world, much more friction , lots of quality of life wasted by that friction. Life before and after Tesla? It's the same....hence they failed to leave a mark on society like the aforementioned companies and fell back on financial engineering , cult leadership, cult following and politics as well as hostile takeover of the US governemnt. You speak about valuation but if we want to use dollars as a unit of measure then what impact did Tesla have as a company on the quality of life of citizens considering the amount of capital it allocated or rather incinirated ever since 2001? Very few companies enjoyed the right to spend so much, where's the quality of life dividend for citizens? Where's the Windows 95, where's the CHatGPT which changes things and makes people question how they managed to live productive lives before it came about? Nowhere to be seen

well Tesla did jump start the EV revolution not life altering but is pretty important. IF SpaceX gets spaceship right that will be a huge leap forward.

by qaq 8mo ago

well Tesla did jump start the EV revolution not life altering but is pretty important. IF SpaceX gets spaceship right that will be a huge leap forward.

bigwheels 8mo ago

Sir, your comment appears to qualify as "moving the goal post". TSLA never delivered a single inexpensive electric vehicle, and just last week abandoned all high-end efforts (S/X/CT discontinued). All TSLA manufactures now are overpriced "meh" transport boxes. Yes, TSLA was early, and now they are far, far behind the competition. Can we evaluate based on the stated goals, or why does the criteria keep shifting?

qaq 8mo ago
Tesla's goal was to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy by building a comprehensive ecosystem of electric vehicles (EVs), solar generation, and battery storage. Looks to me they delivered on 2 of the 3
- jacquesm 8mo ago
  And now Tesla is hindering that transition.
  - qaq 8mo ago
    Sure by building largest charging network and allowing to use their patents they are hindering that transition really badley.
    - jacquesm 8mo ago
      No, by blocking other entrants to the US market through Elon's personal connections with the administration.
      - qaq 8mo ago
        there are 100+ EV models available in US. The only "blocked" entries are Chinese brands which are skirting tariffs by using owned European brands e.g. Polestar, Volvo etc.
- JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
  Yeah keep believing that...they wanted to become the Standard oil / Microsoft of EVs. But they failed to achieve the market share of Microsoft and not to mention the lackuster significance of EVs compared to Personal Computers and GUI You can attack Tesla and Musk from 1000s different angles due to their shananigans except the one true badge of honor for a company and CEO: Sherman Act / Anti Trust for 90+ % market share in a sector which ought to be competitive
  - qaq 8mo ago
    You provided literally 0 arguments to outline how they failed to achieve their stated goals.
    - JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
      It's implied. Everybody who does startups is competitive. Everybody who does a startup in SV is hypercompetitive. You think the goal was to be the first through the glass take all the cuts that go with it and then pave the way for BYD ? Tesla is no Apple, no Microsoft no Standard Oil. Valuations might make superficial people think that it , but it ain't
      - qaq 8mo ago
        I explicitly posted their stated goal and you are resorting to extreme mental gymnastics to create a straw man. under 0.01% of all startups reach valuation of 10B less than 0.0001% of startups reach valuation of 100B
        JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
        Tesla is no longer a startup. Again, tech company, startup, visionary...all these definitions are being used but in reality we are talking about a company founded back in 2001 Also I specifically stated that people who look at valuations are those who fall for narratives as opposed to looking look the impact that a company or a product has on their lives. I remember life before Microsoft's Windows 95, I remember life before the iPhone, before Google, I remember life before Facebook, I remember life before Amazon became ubuquitous, before Uber.... It was a completely different world, much more friction , lots of quality of life wasted by that friction. Life before and after Tesla? It's the same....hence they failed to leave a mark on society like the aforementioned companies and fell back on financial engineering , cult leadership, cult following and politics as well as hostile takeover of the US governemnt. You speak about valuation but if we want to use dollars as a unit of measure then what impact did Tesla have as a company on the quality of life of citizens considering the amount of capital it allocated or rather incinirated ever since 2001? Very few companies enjoyed the right to spend so much, where's the quality of life dividend for citizens? Where's the Windows 95, where's the CHatGPT which changes things and makes people question how they managed to live productive lives before it came about? Nowhere to be seen