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Model S was the most successful EV. If you think cybercab is the vehicle of the future, look at the timeline of the only robo taxi in commerce in the US. Every

by Zigurd 9mo ago

Model S was the most successful EV. If you think cybercab is the vehicle of the future, look at the timeline of the only robo taxi in commerce in the US. Everything has to go right with that, or cybercab will be irrelevant before it works. Same deal. Same bullshitter.

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terminalshort 9mo ago
97% of their sales are model 3 / Y
iknowstuff 9mo ago
Model S was successful until Model 3/Y blew it out of the water. Waymo’s timeline is not relevant because they lose money on every car and every deployment. Tesla’s the only financially successful developer of self driving. They can scale it up much faster.In fact, instead of making $5k per car produced, cybercab will net them $50k per car per year.
- ben_w 9mo ago
  The world doesn't consist of just Waymo and Tesla, and even if it did there's no guarantee either succeeds. > cybercab will net them $50k per car per year. Assuming no mass boycotts, nor targeted vandalism. We've already seen both in the last 12 months.
  - iknowstuff 9mo ago
    It’ll be fine. Especially when people compare the price of ownership/uber to robotaxis.
    - ben_w 9mo ago
      When people actually compare prices, they note that Chinese cars also have autopilot and cost less than half of a Tesla, new. What's keeping Chinese brands out of the USA, isn't keeping them out of Europe or much of anywhere else.
      - LanceJones 9mo ago
        BYD sales in January 2026 are down 30% YoY. Not looking great for them in 2026.
        ben_w 9mo ago
        When I search for this, I find about equal numbers of stories with two opposing narratives. One matching what you say; the other saying they're up significantly, e.g. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/byd-overtakes-tesla-world-largest-120040304.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/byd-overtakes-tesla-world-lar... I do not know what to make of this. However, it is unimportant, as the main concern for your argument should be all Chinese brands combined rather than any specific brand. Unfortunately, given I'm seeing two narratives that seem to be mutually exclusive for BYD, I don't think I can trust web searches to tell me about all brands combined either. However, even that is unimportant, as my point was more focused on the price and value for money, how Chinese models compete on AI for less cost; even to do badly in this regard (which they might or might not be given the mutually incompatible news stories I've seen) is less a narrative about Chinese market failure and more of a demonstration that hardly anyone really cares about the AI in the first place.
      - iknowstuff 9mo ago
        Tesla remains competitive in China, which can't be said of European EVs. Chinese ADAS are much better than European ones but still far behind FSD. To bring the discussion back on topic: $50k/year or ~$250k over the course of the vehicle's lifetime, instead of $5k for a singular sale event, is why the path for the company is crystal clear. Cybercab is the same kind of step for Tesla as the Model 3 was back in 2017.
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- aaaalone 9mo ago
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- margalabargala 9mo ago
  > Tesla’s the only financially successful developer of self driving. This is completely false. Audi and Chevrolet both have self driving as good as Tesla.
  - nunez 9mo ago
    They sure as hell do not. SuperCruise only worked in pre mapped areas and bails whenever there's construction or deviation to plan. It's analogous to Tesla AP2 at best. FSD works EVERYWHERE, almost any time.
    - margalabargala 9mo ago
      "More area" isn't "better". We're measuring by different yardsticks. How widespread the manufacturer allows their software's use, is not the same thing as how good it is. Sure, FSD works everywhere. But SuperCruise has zero crashes caused with 700 million miles driven. There are youtube channels dedicated to all the Tesla FSD crashes.
      - iknowstuff 9mo ago
        https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1k2p40o/gm_super_cruise_is_way_behind_fsd_its_not_close https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1k2p40o/gm... You’ve been misled.
  - iknowstuff 9mo ago
    This would literally only be said by a person who hasn’t tried fsd14 so do yourself a favor and go for a test ride of a Tesla and Audi/Chevrolet and report back. They are not comparable.
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    - interestpiqued 9mo ago
      If they’re not trying FSD 14.156.891111 they wouldn’t believe how great it is

by Zigurd 9mo ago

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terminalshort 9mo ago

97% of their sales are model 3 / Y

iknowstuff 9mo ago

Model S was successful until Model 3/Y blew it out of the water. Waymo’s timeline is not relevant because they lose money on every car and every deployment. Tesla’s the only financially successful developer of self driving. They can scale it up much faster.In fact, instead of making $5k per car produced, cybercab will net them $50k per car per year.

ben_w 9mo ago
The world doesn't consist of just Waymo and Tesla, and even if it did there's no guarantee either succeeds. > cybercab will net them $50k per car per year. Assuming no mass boycotts, nor targeted vandalism. We've already seen both in the last 12 months.
- iknowstuff 9mo ago
  It’ll be fine. Especially when people compare the price of ownership/uber to robotaxis.
  - ben_w 9mo ago
    When people actually compare prices, they note that Chinese cars also have autopilot and cost less than half of a Tesla, new. What's keeping Chinese brands out of the USA, isn't keeping them out of Europe or much of anywhere else.
    - LanceJones 9mo ago
      BYD sales in January 2026 are down 30% YoY. Not looking great for them in 2026.
      - ben_w 9mo ago
        When I search for this, I find about equal numbers of stories with two opposing narratives. One matching what you say; the other saying they're up significantly, e.g. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/byd-overtakes-tesla-world-largest-120040304.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/byd-overtakes-tesla-world-lar... I do not know what to make of this. However, it is unimportant, as the main concern for your argument should be all Chinese brands combined rather than any specific brand. Unfortunately, given I'm seeing two narratives that seem to be mutually exclusive for BYD, I don't think I can trust web searches to tell me about all brands combined either. However, even that is unimportant, as my point was more focused on the price and value for money, how Chinese models compete on AI for less cost; even to do badly in this regard (which they might or might not be given the mutually incompatible news stories I've seen) is less a narrative about Chinese market failure and more of a demonstration that hardly anyone really cares about the AI in the first place.
    - iknowstuff 9mo ago
      Tesla remains competitive in China, which can't be said of European EVs. Chinese ADAS are much better than European ones but still far behind FSD. To bring the discussion back on topic: $50k/year or ~$250k over the course of the vehicle's lifetime, instead of $5k for a singular sale event, is why the path for the company is crystal clear. Cybercab is the same kind of step for Tesla as the Model 3 was back in 2017.
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aaaalone 9mo ago
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margalabargala 9mo ago
> Tesla’s the only financially successful developer of self driving. This is completely false. Audi and Chevrolet both have self driving as good as Tesla.
- nunez 9mo ago
  They sure as hell do not. SuperCruise only worked in pre mapped areas and bails whenever there's construction or deviation to plan. It's analogous to Tesla AP2 at best. FSD works EVERYWHERE, almost any time.
  - margalabargala 9mo ago
    "More area" isn't "better". We're measuring by different yardsticks. How widespread the manufacturer allows their software's use, is not the same thing as how good it is. Sure, FSD works everywhere. But SuperCruise has zero crashes caused with 700 million miles driven. There are youtube channels dedicated to all the Tesla FSD crashes.
    - iknowstuff 9mo ago
      https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1k2p40o/gm_super_cruise_is_way_behind_fsd_its_not_close https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1k2p40o/gm... You’ve been misled.
- iknowstuff 9mo ago
  This would literally only be said by a person who hasn’t tried fsd14 so do yourself a favor and go for a test ride of a Tesla and Audi/Chevrolet and report back. They are not comparable.
  - deleted 9mo ago
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  - interestpiqued 9mo ago
    If they’re not trying FSD 14.156.891111 they wouldn’t believe how great it is