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hmm Tesla shipped millions of cars SpaceX launches 90% of space payloads, Starlink is working well. Thats hard to categorize as never delivered on any of his pr

by qaq 8mo ago

hmm Tesla shipped millions of cars SpaceX launches 90% of space payloads, Starlink is working well. Thats hard to categorize as never delivered on any of his projects

iandanforth 8mo ago
The crucial thing is that Tesla's valuation has the hype projects baked in. The fact that it never delivered self driving or a robotaxi fleet and is now being saved solely by an import ban on Chinese EVs means that any success he had with Tesla is now an illusion.
- qaq 8mo ago
  Yep but again that does not qualify as never delivered on anything.
- tuckwat 8mo ago
  I don't follow his promises but have seen first hand how far ahead Tesla FSD is compared to competitors in the consumer space. It's not even close. This current announcement seems silly, though.
  - nebula8804 8mo ago
    Have you tested Supercruise? There is another way to view this. FSD plays fast and loose because they are constantly iterating. The culture at Musk co is that if you dont' keep pushing updates you are in trouble so do we really want to trust that each of his numerous updates are truly tested? This guy is a pathological liar after all. How many lawsuits are they dealing with now? Supercruise only runs on pre mapped routes. If my life is on the line, I'd rather take the pre mapped routes and supercruise design is better at preventing people playing games to defeat the system (ex.shoving an orange in the steering wheel) so I know that others using the system on the road are following the system guidelines. Supercruise may not do everything FSD does but it cuts out a large portion of the "fatigue" portion of driving and as a result can be highly trusted value add.
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- dmix 8mo ago
  > The fact that it never delivered self driving or a robotaxi fleet a Once again pointing out Tesla has around 300 robotaxis running in 2 cities (Austin/SF).
  - aaaalone 8mo ago
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  - queenkjuul 8mo ago
    Roughly 60 individual cars have been identified in Austin and all have a human driver on board. I don't really buy that there's 250 in SF
    - dmix 8mo ago
      They rolled out full driverless in Austin in November 2025 and there's a website that reverse engineered the mobile app API to track the active cars. It found 90 active in Austin with more declared total by Tesla and 150 active in SF (SF ones have a safety driver for now). Likewise they found around 300 active in SF for Waymo with around 1000 cars declared total by Waymo itself.
JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
The projects promised to be life altering for all mankind, they ended up being not even life altering for super rich Americans considering that Teslas are just EVs which without FSD are just regular cars with a different propellent that were made for political purposes and virtue signaling The EV revolution has always been something almost dystopic : Trillions of dollars spent in order to not have the slightest amount of quality of life improvement, if anything a worse quality of life because you buy an EV that you cannot use 24/7/365 whereas you can an ICE car for much less . As soon as something kinda elegant and hopeful as far as collective quality of life improvement is concerned (AI/ChatGPT) came around.....the whole green/EV revolution rightfully went out the window If Musk was this genius you guys make him to be at 50 and with all the capital he burned he should have at least one company that if you disappeared the world would look drastically different, like if you disappeared Microsoft or Apple or Exxon or Aramco or Amazon or IBM....the world would come to a screeching halt. Disappear one of Musk companies and everything would be the same as he's always involved in these sort of aspirational companies which have this great vision always 5 years into the future that never materialize into anything tangible or that improves the quality of life like the company I mentioned earlier
- qaq 8mo ago
  well Tesla did jump start the EV revolution not life altering but is pretty important. IF SpaceX gets spaceship right that will be a huge leap forward.
  - bigwheels 8mo ago
    Sir, your comment appears to qualify as "moving the goal post". TSLA never delivered a single inexpensive electric vehicle, and just last week abandoned all high-end efforts (S/X/CT discontinued). All TSLA manufactures now are overpriced "meh" transport boxes. Yes, TSLA was early, and now they are far, far behind the competition. Can we evaluate based on the stated goals, or why does the criteria keep shifting?
    - qaq 8mo ago
      Tesla's goal was to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy by building a comprehensive ecosystem of electric vehicles (EVs), solar generation, and battery storage. Looks to me they delivered on 2 of the 3
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almosthere 8mo ago
The Starlink achievement alone is one of the most insane projects ever attempted and works really well.
AlexC04 8mo ago
According to google Tesla has shipped 8 million cars total since inception. It is valued at 1.32 Trillion as of today. Which is roughly $165,000 per shipped vehicle.
- qaq 8mo ago
  I am not arguing Elon is a nice dude or Tesla's valuation is justified. I am saying claim has not delivered on anything is false.

by qaq 8mo ago

hmm Tesla shipped millions of cars SpaceX launches 90% of space payloads, Starlink is working well. Thats hard to categorize as never delivered on any of his projects

iandanforth 8mo ago

The crucial thing is that Tesla's valuation has the hype projects baked in. The fact that it never delivered self driving or a robotaxi fleet and is now being saved solely by an import ban on Chinese EVs means that any success he had with Tesla is now an illusion.

qaq 8mo ago
Yep but again that does not qualify as never delivered on anything.
tuckwat 8mo ago
I don't follow his promises but have seen first hand how far ahead Tesla FSD is compared to competitors in the consumer space. It's not even close. This current announcement seems silly, though.
- nebula8804 8mo ago
  Have you tested Supercruise? There is another way to view this. FSD plays fast and loose because they are constantly iterating. The culture at Musk co is that if you dont' keep pushing updates you are in trouble so do we really want to trust that each of his numerous updates are truly tested? This guy is a pathological liar after all. How many lawsuits are they dealing with now? Supercruise only runs on pre mapped routes. If my life is on the line, I'd rather take the pre mapped routes and supercruise design is better at preventing people playing games to defeat the system (ex.shoving an orange in the steering wheel) so I know that others using the system on the road are following the system guidelines. Supercruise may not do everything FSD does but it cuts out a large portion of the "fatigue" portion of driving and as a result can be highly trusted value add.
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dmix 8mo ago
> The fact that it never delivered self driving or a robotaxi fleet a Once again pointing out Tesla has around 300 robotaxis running in 2 cities (Austin/SF).
- aaaalone 8mo ago
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- queenkjuul 8mo ago
  Roughly 60 individual cars have been identified in Austin and all have a human driver on board. I don't really buy that there's 250 in SF
  - dmix 8mo ago
    They rolled out full driverless in Austin in November 2025 and there's a website that reverse engineered the mobile app API to track the active cars. It found 90 active in Austin with more declared total by Tesla and 150 active in SF (SF ones have a safety driver for now). Likewise they found around 300 active in SF for Waymo with around 1000 cars declared total by Waymo itself.

JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago

The projects promised to be life altering for all mankind, they ended up being not even life altering for super rich Americans considering that Teslas are just EVs which without FSD are just regular cars with a different propellent that were made for political purposes and virtue signaling The EV revolution has always been something almost dystopic : Trillions of dollars spent in order to not have the slightest amount of quality of life improvement, if anything a worse quality of life because you buy an EV that you cannot use 24/7/365 whereas you can an ICE car for much less . As soon as something kinda elegant and hopeful as far as collective quality of life improvement is concerned (AI/ChatGPT) came around.....the whole green/EV revolution rightfully went out the window If Musk was this genius you guys make him to be at 50 and with all the capital he burned he should have at least one company that if you disappeared the world would look drastically different, like if you disappeared Microsoft or Apple or Exxon or Aramco or Amazon or IBM....the world would come to a screeching halt. Disappear one of Musk companies and everything would be the same as he's always involved in these sort of aspirational companies which have this great vision always 5 years into the future that never materialize into anything tangible or that improves the quality of life like the company I mentioned earlier

qaq 8mo ago
well Tesla did jump start the EV revolution not life altering but is pretty important. IF SpaceX gets spaceship right that will be a huge leap forward.
- bigwheels 8mo ago
  Sir, your comment appears to qualify as "moving the goal post". TSLA never delivered a single inexpensive electric vehicle, and just last week abandoned all high-end efforts (S/X/CT discontinued). All TSLA manufactures now are overpriced "meh" transport boxes. Yes, TSLA was early, and now they are far, far behind the competition. Can we evaluate based on the stated goals, or why does the criteria keep shifting?
  - qaq 8mo ago
    Tesla's goal was to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy by building a comprehensive ecosystem of electric vehicles (EVs), solar generation, and battery storage. Looks to me they delivered on 2 of the 3

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almosthere 8mo ago

The Starlink achievement alone is one of the most insane projects ever attempted and works really well.

AlexC04 8mo ago

According to google Tesla has shipped 8 million cars total since inception. It is valued at 1.32 Trillion as of today. Which is roughly $165,000 per shipped vehicle.

qaq 8mo ago
I am not arguing Elon is a nice dude or Tesla's valuation is justified. I am saying claim has not delivered on anything is false.