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I am concerned, and haven’t seen anyone else point this out yet, that Musk will move Grok’s CSAM generation capabilities to space to be beyond the reach of terr

I am concerned, and haven’t seen anyone else point this out yet, that Musk will move Grok’s CSAM generation capabilities to space to be beyond the reach of terrestrial policing. Does this create some sort of legal loophole here so Musk can do this with impunity?

TheGRS 9mo ago
So my floating data center in international waters idea has potential investors?
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_fzslm 9mo ago
AFAIK he can do whatever he wants in space, but CSAM is still illegal to view or even download in most (all?) countries of the world. So unless the degenerates also move out into space (which I'm sure they're eager to do), it wouldn't really ease the legal situation here on Earth.
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wmf 9mo ago
Remember that he wants to make X a bank. An orbital tax haven. But seriously, I think legally satellites are under the jurisdiction of the country they were launched from.
- bdamm 9mo ago
  Well, offshore launches are already a thing. Or he could just buy a small island in the Carribean. There's one in particular that is available.
  - wmf 9mo ago
    That island is part of the US. Technically SpaceX technology cannot be exported to other countries but laws are fake so...
chippiewill 9mo ago
Ground stations would be the major problem. Maybe if Elon launched himself and the dev team into orbit and didn't use any ground stations and just Starlink terminals he could start getting into legal loopholes.
- perlgeek 9mo ago
  At that point, country could just sanction the company, so that it's illegal for its citizens to pay them any money. Seems like a standard thing to do to a company that breaks laws and that you cannot otherwise reach.
twic 9mo ago
No. For one, things in space are under the jurisdiction of the country they were launched from. For another, it's people that do crimes, not satellites or LLMs, and the people involved in making CSAM are all on Earth.

TheGRS 9mo ago

So my floating data center in international waters idea has potential investors?

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_fzslm 9mo ago

AFAIK he can do whatever he wants in space, but CSAM is still illegal to view or even download in most (all?) countries of the world. So unless the degenerates also move out into space (which I'm sure they're eager to do), it wouldn't really ease the legal situation here on Earth.

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wmf 9mo ago

Remember that he wants to make X a bank. An orbital tax haven. But seriously, I think legally satellites are under the jurisdiction of the country they were launched from.

bdamm 9mo ago
Well, offshore launches are already a thing. Or he could just buy a small island in the Carribean. There's one in particular that is available.
- wmf 9mo ago
  That island is part of the US. Technically SpaceX technology cannot be exported to other countries but laws are fake so...

chippiewill 9mo ago

Ground stations would be the major problem. Maybe if Elon launched himself and the dev team into orbit and didn't use any ground stations and just Starlink terminals he could start getting into legal loopholes.

perlgeek 9mo ago
At that point, country could just sanction the company, so that it's illegal for its citizens to pay them any money. Seems like a standard thing to do to a company that breaks laws and that you cannot otherwise reach.

twic 9mo ago

No. For one, things in space are under the jurisdiction of the country they were launched from. For another, it's people that do crimes, not satellites or LLMs, and the people involved in making CSAM are all on Earth.