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I've done way, way more than that, as I'm sure others have too. This is just bad product management.

bopbopbop7 9mo ago
So where is all this amazing software that you and others built with AI? All I see is hype blog posts and pre-IPO marketing by AI companies, not much being shipped though.
- measurablefunc 9mo ago
  There is a guy on twitter documenting his progress with moltbot/openclaw: https://x.com/Austen/status/2018371289468072219 https://x.com/Austen/status/2018371289468072219. Apparently he has already registered his bot for an LLC so he can make money w/ it.
  - bopbopbop7 9mo ago
    Some guy on Twitter selling an AI coding boot camp is an interesting example. Also it's literally just a post of him looking for a real developer to review his vibe coded bot???
    - measurablefunc 9mo ago
      What does the bootcamp have to do w/ anything? He is using AI slop to make money, that's all that matters in a socio-economic system wherein everyone & everything must make profits to persist. Edit: found another example from coinbase: https://x.com/0xEricBrown/status/2018082458143699035 https://x.com/0xEricBrown/status/2018082458143699035. Edit: I'm not going to keep addressing your comment if you keep editing it. You asked for an example & I found two very easily. I am certain there are many others so at this point the onus is on you to figure out what exactly it is you are actually arguing.
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      - bopbopbop7 9mo ago
        Your first example is just a twitter post of a guy asking for a developer to review his vibe coded bot. Nothing shipped. The second example is twitter post of a crypto bro asking people to build something using his crypto API. Nothing shipped. Literally nothing shipped, just twitter posts of people selling a coding bootcamp and crypto.
        measurablefunc 9mo ago
        You should make a note & revisit this in a few days to figure out whether your assessment was correct or not. I've already wasted enough time here so good luck.
- saint_fiasco 9mo ago
  You won't see it because it's mostly personal software for personal computers. I've got a medical doctor handwriting decipherer, a board game simulator that takes a PDF of the rulebooks as input and an accounting/budgeting software that can interface with my bank via email because my bank doesn't have an API. None of that is of any use to you. If you happen to need a similar software, it will be easier for you to ask your own AI to make a custom one for you rather than adapt the ones I had my AI make for me. Under the circumstances, I would feel bad shipping anything. My users would be legitimately better off just vibe coding their own versions.
  - gowld 9mo ago
    I disagree. There is a tier of people who can't vibe code what you've vibe coded, but also might not trust your app (especially the bank one). There is still a real gap here to be filled by professional work or fakers.
    - saint_fiasco 9mo ago
      Professionals are doing what I am doing, only inside companies. They make custom software that solves ultra-specific problems of that one company. I don't quite understand the obsession with shipping fancy enterprise b2b saas solutions. That was the correct paradigm for back when developing custom code was expensive. Now it is cheap. Why pay for Salesforce when you only use 1% of Salesforce's features? Just vibe code the 1% of features that you actually need, plus some custom parts to handle some cursed bespoke business logic that would be a pain in the ass to do in Salesforce anyway.
      - bopbopbop7 9mo ago
        Let me know when Stacy from HR vibe codes her own salesforce alternative, sounds very cool!
        saint_fiasco 9mo ago
        Supposedly Richard Stallman's secretaries knew how to code their own Emacs macros. I don't expect any LLM to empower people as much as Emacs can, but they will definitely empower more people in total, just because LLMs are easier to use than Emacs.
- airstrike 9mo ago
  quality takes time. I'm still in stealth
measurablefunc 9mo ago
Their goal is to ship as fast as possible b/c they don't care about what you care about. Their objective is to gather as much data as possible & electron is good enough for that.
- romainhuet 9mo ago
  I work at OpenAI, and I get the concern. From our side, this was a careful tradeoff: Electron lets us iterate faster and makes it possible to bring the Codex app to Windows and Linux very soon. That doesn’t mean performance or UX don’t matter—we’re actively paying attention to both. Would genuinely love your thoughts if you try it. Early users have been surprised by how native it feels!
  - measurablefunc 9mo ago
    I use Google's antigravity so I personally have no problem w/ electron applications. At the end of the day UI performance is not a bottleneck for me.
    - FridgeSeal 9mo ago
      Aaaaand that is why we, as end users get machines which are sluggish, because literally every. Single. Application is taking this attitude. Shock horror, the waste adds up, and it adds up extremely quickly.
      - measurablefunc 9mo ago
        I don't really care about memory or how much of it is taken up by the editor. I have enough memory for the work that I do & UI performance would make no difference to my workflow.
  - marxisttemp 9mo ago
    Your AI can’t make a UI for 3 platforms? Seems pretty worthless.
  - 9mo ago

So where is all this amazing software that you and others built with AI? All I see is hype blog posts and pre-IPO marketing by AI companies, not much being shipped though.

measurablefunc 9mo ago
There is a guy on twitter documenting his progress with moltbot/openclaw: https://x.com/Austen/status/2018371289468072219 https://x.com/Austen/status/2018371289468072219. Apparently he has already registered his bot for an LLC so he can make money w/ it.
- bopbopbop7 9mo ago
  Some guy on Twitter selling an AI coding boot camp is an interesting example. Also it's literally just a post of him looking for a real developer to review his vibe coded bot???
  - measurablefunc 9mo ago
    What does the bootcamp have to do w/ anything? He is using AI slop to make money, that's all that matters in a socio-economic system wherein everyone & everything must make profits to persist. Edit: found another example from coinbase: https://x.com/0xEricBrown/status/2018082458143699035 https://x.com/0xEricBrown/status/2018082458143699035. Edit: I'm not going to keep addressing your comment if you keep editing it. You asked for an example & I found two very easily. I am certain there are many others so at this point the onus is on you to figure out what exactly it is you are actually arguing.
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    - bopbopbop7 9mo ago
      Your first example is just a twitter post of a guy asking for a developer to review his vibe coded bot. Nothing shipped. The second example is twitter post of a crypto bro asking people to build something using his crypto API. Nothing shipped. Literally nothing shipped, just twitter posts of people selling a coding bootcamp and crypto.
      - measurablefunc 9mo ago
        You should make a note & revisit this in a few days to figure out whether your assessment was correct or not. I've already wasted enough time here so good luck.
saint_fiasco 9mo ago
You won't see it because it's mostly personal software for personal computers. I've got a medical doctor handwriting decipherer, a board game simulator that takes a PDF of the rulebooks as input and an accounting/budgeting software that can interface with my bank via email because my bank doesn't have an API. None of that is of any use to you. If you happen to need a similar software, it will be easier for you to ask your own AI to make a custom one for you rather than adapt the ones I had my AI make for me. Under the circumstances, I would feel bad shipping anything. My users would be legitimately better off just vibe coding their own versions.
- gowld 9mo ago
  I disagree. There is a tier of people who can't vibe code what you've vibe coded, but also might not trust your app (especially the bank one). There is still a real gap here to be filled by professional work or fakers.
  - saint_fiasco 9mo ago
    Professionals are doing what I am doing, only inside companies. They make custom software that solves ultra-specific problems of that one company. I don't quite understand the obsession with shipping fancy enterprise b2b saas solutions. That was the correct paradigm for back when developing custom code was expensive. Now it is cheap. Why pay for Salesforce when you only use 1% of Salesforce's features? Just vibe code the 1% of features that you actually need, plus some custom parts to handle some cursed bespoke business logic that would be a pain in the ass to do in Salesforce anyway.
    - bopbopbop7 9mo ago
      Let me know when Stacy from HR vibe codes her own salesforce alternative, sounds very cool!
      - saint_fiasco 9mo ago
        Supposedly Richard Stallman's secretaries knew how to code their own Emacs macros. I don't expect any LLM to empower people as much as Emacs can, but they will definitely empower more people in total, just because LLMs are easier to use than Emacs.
airstrike 9mo ago
quality takes time. I'm still in stealth

measurablefunc 9mo ago

Their goal is to ship as fast as possible b/c they don't care about what you care about. Their objective is to gather as much data as possible & electron is good enough for that.

romainhuet 9mo ago
I work at OpenAI, and I get the concern. From our side, this was a careful tradeoff: Electron lets us iterate faster and makes it possible to bring the Codex app to Windows and Linux very soon. That doesn’t mean performance or UX don’t matter—we’re actively paying attention to both. Would genuinely love your thoughts if you try it. Early users have been surprised by how native it feels!
- measurablefunc 9mo ago
  I use Google's antigravity so I personally have no problem w/ electron applications. At the end of the day UI performance is not a bottleneck for me.
  - FridgeSeal 9mo ago
    Aaaaand that is why we, as end users get machines which are sluggish, because literally every. Single. Application is taking this attitude. Shock horror, the waste adds up, and it adds up extremely quickly.
    - measurablefunc 9mo ago
      I don't really care about memory or how much of it is taken up by the editor. I have enough memory for the work that I do & UI performance would make no difference to my workflow.
- marxisttemp 9mo ago
  Your AI can’t make a UI for 3 platforms? Seems pretty worthless.
- 9mo ago