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I'm already shutting down my private instance of Mattermost, no thank you. I'm thinking of Zulip, at least they aren't pulling this shenanigans.

CuriouslyC 9mo ago
That seems to be what most slack abandoners end up on.
pixelpoet 9mo ago
I run a Zulip server and it's pretty good. The way they organise channels is extremely convoluted unfortunately (I wish they would just use absolutely standard channels layout like every other chat, and have everyone able to see them on join!) but well, beggars can't be choosers.
- tazjin 9mo ago
  People go through all this trouble to host convoluted chat systems, and all this time IRC is right there. There's modern servers like Ergo and modern clients like Halloy (or for the JavaScript addicts: Convos, The Lounge, Kiwi, ...) providing all the multi-device history sharing and emoji reactions you could need. All on top of a super simple, extremely battle tested protocol.
  - comex 9mo ago
    But according to https://ircv3.net/software/clients https://ircv3.net/software/clients, none of the clients you mentioned actually support emoji reactions (draft/react), and other features like multi-line messages and image uploads are likewise extremely limited in server/client support. So, for the time being, you can't use these features if you want to actually be interoperable with existing IRC users and their clients. Sounds like if you want decentralized, Matrix is still the better bet.
  - giancarlostoro 9mo ago
    I have hosted IRC before but im not about to explain all the nuances to my non technical friends and family. At that point I will just use XMPP.
- __tmk__ 9mo ago
  Interesting, I've also heard the exact opposite opinion [0] where Zulip’s non-standard approach is seen as its main strength. [0]: https://chaos.social/@yorgos/115931944888149528 https://chaos.social/@yorgos/115931944888149528
nicoburns 9mo ago
I can whole heartedly recommend Zulip. They really get open source, allow you to own your data, and their UI despite being a bit quirky is IMO the best out there for handling complex conversations (the ability for admins to retrospectively move mesages between topics like old school forum software being a real standout feature).

CuriouslyC 9mo ago

That seems to be what most slack abandoners end up on.

pixelpoet 9mo ago

I run a Zulip server and it's pretty good. The way they organise channels is extremely convoluted unfortunately (I wish they would just use absolutely standard channels layout like every other chat, and have everyone able to see them on join!) but well, beggars can't be choosers.

tazjin 9mo ago
People go through all this trouble to host convoluted chat systems, and all this time IRC is right there. There's modern servers like Ergo and modern clients like Halloy (or for the JavaScript addicts: Convos, The Lounge, Kiwi, ...) providing all the multi-device history sharing and emoji reactions you could need. All on top of a super simple, extremely battle tested protocol.
- comex 9mo ago
  But according to https://ircv3.net/software/clients https://ircv3.net/software/clients, none of the clients you mentioned actually support emoji reactions (draft/react), and other features like multi-line messages and image uploads are likewise extremely limited in server/client support. So, for the time being, you can't use these features if you want to actually be interoperable with existing IRC users and their clients. Sounds like if you want decentralized, Matrix is still the better bet.
- giancarlostoro 9mo ago
  I have hosted IRC before but im not about to explain all the nuances to my non technical friends and family. At that point I will just use XMPP.
__tmk__ 9mo ago
Interesting, I've also heard the exact opposite opinion [0] where Zulip’s non-standard approach is seen as its main strength. [0]: https://chaos.social/@yorgos/115931944888149528 https://chaos.social/@yorgos/115931944888149528

nicoburns 9mo ago

I can whole heartedly recommend Zulip. They really get open source, allow you to own your data, and their UI despite being a bit quirky is IMO the best out there for handling complex conversations (the ability for admins to retrospectively move mesages between topics like old school forum software being a real standout feature).