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china has been an invaluable partner. Green energy supplies a large part of energy consumed in europe now, and car electrification has become popular thanks to

by seydor 9mo ago

china has been an invaluable partner. Green energy supplies a large part of energy consumed in europe now, and car electrification has become popular thanks to cheap chinese EVs. I will not be surprised to see chinese drones or weapons too

pjc50 9mo ago
Chinese drones yes, there's no equivalent of the US DJI ban as far as I'm aware. China have been supplying both sides in the Ukraine war. Chinese weapons .. no. Plenty of traditional EU arms companies to do that, and this is one area where I'm OK with the traditional EU protectionism. A more interesting question is the two big countries which are part of NATO, on the European continent, but NOT part of the EU: UK and Turkey.
alephnerd 9mo ago
> china has been an invaluable partner The PRC has stated it will continue to back Russia against Ukraine [0] which is a red line for the EU. Additionally, the PRC has been running disinfo ops against EU member states tech exports [1] while still attempting industrial espionage on European institutions [2]. China will not become a trusted partner of the EU as long as: 1. It continues to conduct industrial espionage against EU institutions 2. Attempts to undermine EU industrial and dual use exports 3. It continues to support Russia diplomatically and materially at the expense of Ukraine 4. It attempts to undermine the EU as an institution [3][4][5][6] 5. It continues to threaten EU nationals through physical [7] and legal [8] intimidation. It's the same reason trust has reduced in the US as well. --- [0] - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/china-tells-eu-it-cannot-afford-russian-loss-ukraine-war-sources-say https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/ch... [1] - https://www.defense.gouv.fr/desinformation/nos-analyses-froid/decryptage-desinformation-au-service-competition-industrielle https://www.defense.gouv.fr/desinformation/nos-analyses-froi... [2] - https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2026/01/14/mise-en-examen-d-un-mathematicien-bordelais-pour-intelligence-avec-la-chine,110600268-art https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2026/01/14/... [3] - https://fddi.fudan.edu.cn/_t2515/57/f8/c21257a743416/page.htm https://fddi.fudan.edu.cn/_t2515/57/f8/c21257a743416/page.ht... [4] - https://www.ft.com/content/1ed0b791-a447-48f4-9c38-abbf5f2837a6 https://www.ft.com/content/1ed0b791-a447-48f4-9c38-abbf5f283... [5] - https://www.ft.com/content/81700fc4-8f23-4bec-87e9-59a83f215431 https://www.ft.com/content/81700fc4-8f23-4bec-87e9-59a83f215... [6] - https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/ex-mitarbeiter-krah-spionage-urteil-100.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/ex-mitarbeiter... [7] - https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2024/07/02/deux-espions-chinois-pries-de-quitter-la-france-apres-la-tentative-de-rapatriement-force-d-un-ressortissant_6246161_3224.html https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2024/07/02/deux-espio... [8] - https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2025/12/23/intimidations-chinoises-en-europe--pekin-opte-pour-l-arme-juridique,110582903-art https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2025/12/23/...
- Ylpertnodi 9mo ago
  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - better the enemy you know than dealing with Trump.
  - alephnerd 9mo ago
    Better dealing with neither in that case - which is the what the EU is doing. This is why the EU has made a defense and technology partnerships with India (Arunachal) [0], Vietnam (Hoang Sa) [1], Japan (Senkaku) [2], and South Korea (Yellow Sea) [3] and is indirectly supporting Taiwan [4]. Interesting how you also ignore the fact that the PRC has attempted to personally harm EU nationals in the past 2 years through physical and legal intimidation. [0] - https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/security-and-defence-eu-and-india-sign-security-defence-partnership_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/security-and-defence-eu-and-... [1] - https://www.eeas.europa.eu/euvn-comprehensive-strategic-partnership-pr_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/euvn-comprehensive-strategic-part... [2] - https://www.eeas.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/2024/EU-Japan%20Security%20and%20Defence%20Partnership.pdf https://www.eeas.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/202... [3] - https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/security-and-defence-partnership-between-european-union-and-republic-korea_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/security-and-defence-partner... [4] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-says-european-countries-helping-with-submarine-project-2021-04-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-says-european-cou...
    - ragazzina 9mo ago
      >the PRC has attempted to personally harm EU nationals in the past 2 years through physical and legal intimidation The US has not only done that, but also threatened invasion of EU OCT and annexation of citizens.
      - alephnerd 9mo ago
        Hence why I said "Better dealing with neither in that case - which is the what the EU is doing".

by seydor 9mo ago

pjc50 9mo ago

Chinese drones yes, there's no equivalent of the US DJI ban as far as I'm aware. China have been supplying both sides in the Ukraine war. Chinese weapons .. no. Plenty of traditional EU arms companies to do that, and this is one area where I'm OK with the traditional EU protectionism. A more interesting question is the two big countries which are part of NATO, on the European continent, but NOT part of the EU: UK and Turkey.

alephnerd 9mo ago

> china has been an invaluable partner The PRC has stated it will continue to back Russia against Ukraine [0] which is a red line for the EU. Additionally, the PRC has been running disinfo ops against EU member states tech exports [1] while still attempting industrial espionage on European institutions [2]. China will not become a trusted partner of the EU as long as: 1. It continues to conduct industrial espionage against EU institutions 2. Attempts to undermine EU industrial and dual use exports 3. It continues to support Russia diplomatically and materially at the expense of Ukraine 4. It attempts to undermine the EU as an institution [3][4][5][6] 5. It continues to threaten EU nationals through physical [7] and legal [8] intimidation. It's the same reason trust has reduced in the US as well. --- [0] - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/china-tells-eu-it-cannot-afford-russian-loss-ukraine-war-sources-say https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/ch... [1] - https://www.defense.gouv.fr/desinformation/nos-analyses-froid/decryptage-desinformation-au-service-competition-industrielle https://www.defense.gouv.fr/desinformation/nos-analyses-froi... [2] - https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2026/01/14/mise-en-examen-d-un-mathematicien-bordelais-pour-intelligence-avec-la-chine,110600268-art https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2026/01/14/... [3] - https://fddi.fudan.edu.cn/_t2515/57/f8/c21257a743416/page.htm https://fddi.fudan.edu.cn/_t2515/57/f8/c21257a743416/page.ht... [4] - https://www.ft.com/content/1ed0b791-a447-48f4-9c38-abbf5f2837a6 https://www.ft.com/content/1ed0b791-a447-48f4-9c38-abbf5f283... [5] - https://www.ft.com/content/81700fc4-8f23-4bec-87e9-59a83f215431 https://www.ft.com/content/81700fc4-8f23-4bec-87e9-59a83f215... [6] - https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/ex-mitarbeiter-krah-spionage-urteil-100.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/ex-mitarbeiter... [7] - https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2024/07/02/deux-espions-chinois-pries-de-quitter-la-france-apres-la-tentative-de-rapatriement-force-d-un-ressortissant_6246161_3224.html https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2024/07/02/deux-espio... [8] - https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2025/12/23/intimidations-chinoises-en-europe--pekin-opte-pour-l-arme-juridique,110582903-art https://www.intelligenceonline.fr/asie-pacifique/2025/12/23/...

Ylpertnodi 9mo ago
1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - better the enemy you know than dealing with Trump.
- alephnerd 9mo ago
  Better dealing with neither in that case - which is the what the EU is doing. This is why the EU has made a defense and technology partnerships with India (Arunachal) [0], Vietnam (Hoang Sa) [1], Japan (Senkaku) [2], and South Korea (Yellow Sea) [3] and is indirectly supporting Taiwan [4]. Interesting how you also ignore the fact that the PRC has attempted to personally harm EU nationals in the past 2 years through physical and legal intimidation. [0] - https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/security-and-defence-eu-and-india-sign-security-defence-partnership_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/security-and-defence-eu-and-... [1] - https://www.eeas.europa.eu/euvn-comprehensive-strategic-partnership-pr_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/euvn-comprehensive-strategic-part... [2] - https://www.eeas.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/2024/EU-Japan%20Security%20and%20Defence%20Partnership.pdf https://www.eeas.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/202... [3] - https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/security-and-defence-partnership-between-european-union-and-republic-korea_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/security-and-defence-partner... [4] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-says-european-countries-helping-with-submarine-project-2021-04-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-says-european-cou...
  - ragazzina 9mo ago
    >the PRC has attempted to personally harm EU nationals in the past 2 years through physical and legal intimidation The US has not only done that, but also threatened invasion of EU OCT and annexation of citizens.
    - alephnerd 9mo ago
      Hence why I said "Better dealing with neither in that case - which is the what the EU is doing".