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> I can't help but feel there must some better venue for such messaging. I would argue that this has been an effective avenue for messaging/protest. You’re res
by nophunphil 8mo ago
> I can't help but feel there must some better venue for such messaging.
I would argue that this has been an effective avenue for messaging/protest. You’re responding to it on this very board - that means you’re thinking about it.
Another angle: would such free protest be allowed if the developers of Notepad++ were based in China or Russia? I seriously doubt it.
- handedness 8mo agoWhether people talk about something isn't a measure of success, it's whether it changes public sentiment. He who politicizes everything politicizes nothing.
- kvemkon 8mo ago> would such free protest be allowed if the developers of Notepad++ were based in - US arguing for independence of any of the States for whatever reasons? - Spain for Catalonia? - France for Basque? and many more just in Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_move...
- nophunphil 8mo agoNot pertinent. My point is more in reference to the ancestor comment with respect to Ukraine and Taiwan: > Yeah, Notepad++ is known for political messaging in their updates. Taiwan, Ukraine, etc. If you’re calling Ukraine in particular a “separatist movement”, I don’t think we can have a productive conversation.
- kvemkon 8mo agoI'm referring to (if we would continue with the list): - Ukraine for Donbas Which is so much weaker than all others. There are Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, Tibetans. But there is no such ethnicity as People of Donbas. OTOH in a democratic state you're still have the right to demonstrate peacefully for whatever you want, even if it doesn't make much sense. But would you allowed to demonstrate in Ukraine for Donbas independence if they are considered separatists according to the law?
- FormerBandmate 8mo agoYou can totally say Texas should be independent. A lot of Texans have. You can’t be against the Ukraine war in Russia because Putin is an evil dictator
- leosarev 8mo agoI'm writing this comment from Russia, St. Petersburg, and yes, you can be against the Ukraine war in Russia.
- sunaookami 8mo agoAlways hiliarious when westerners think they know how life works in Russia, China, etc because they heard from it on TV.
- wiseowise 8mo agoOf course it’s all propaganda, comrade, you can openly protest against the ~~war~~ SMO. Don’t forget your Z insignia, though.
- sunaookami 8mo agoProving me right I see.
- nophunphil 8mo agoEducate me then. The mental image I have from researching the topic seems contrary to what you’re saying.
- leosarev 8mo agoSafe and socially acceptable: "war is bad and I wish it will end sooner". "We should be friends with Ukraine and/or West". "Putin was not right to start a war". "I want that Putin resigns and/or voted out" Safe for regular person, but socially risky: "We should surrender and pay reparations" "This war is totally Putin'a fault" "Putin is corrupt dictator" "Zelensky is a good guy" Could in theory lead to a fine and/or losing job, but mostly safe: "I support Navalny", donation to ACF or some kind of western-affiliated NGO. Could lead to a fine and/or prison time, when it done in social media or on the square: "Slava Ukraine", Butcha fakes, Let's willingly donate to Ukraine war effort, etc
- p_ing 8mo ago> I would argue that this has been an effective avenue for messaging/protest. You’re responding to it on this very board - that means you’re thinking about it. I think about a lot of things I do absolutely nothing about (or with). Thinking about whatever messaging is here is like saying "thoughts and prayers". It means shit all nothing. The messaging was a waste of my time and your time. It was an ad for a product you'll never purchase.
- nophunphil 8mo agoI don’t see it as a waste of my time. I am not in the habit of seeing conflicts in which innocent people die as a “waste of my time”. The idea that my time is somehow more valuable than another person’s is narcissistic.
- p_ing 8mo agoYet more "thoughts and prayers" rhetoric. If you want to actually be engaged, go do something directly for those people. Until that point, it's simply thoughts and prayers.
- iamnothere 8mo agoTypically when I see such messaging in an out of place venue it nudges me slightly against both the message and the venue pushing the message. This occurs regardless of whether I agree with the message. I feel the same way as when I see an ad: this does not belong here. I don’t think I am the only one who has this reaction. People who do this should consider if it’s actually helping their cause. If not it’s just feelgood signaling, or possibly even counterproductive.
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- iamnothere 8mo agoHysterics aside, this is a real effect and you’re a fool for ignoring it.
- Orygin 8mo agoI know it's real. But it doesn't excuse giving away one's values just because something inconvenienced them. As an example, do I find some vegans annoying on the internet? Yes. Does it mean I will instead start supporting carnism, or push back on veganism? No, absolutely not. Because these are values I have, and no actions of others can change what I value.
- iamnothere 8mo agoThe fundamental values don’t often change, but if you alienate people enough they will shift their activities to supporting a different cause they care about, or give up and tune out entirely. It’s self-defeating. You can’t win with radicals alone.
- joejoe638 8mo agoBased on arrest of protesters in UK, US, and recent laws passed in Australia; it is fair to say that Notepad++’s freedom to protest would depend on who and what they are protesting.
- nophunphil 8mo agoI would have been interested in debating the content of your reply if your account had not been created 1 hour ago. So what about protesting the Russian invasion of Ukraine seems objectionable to you? > it is fair to say that Notepad++’s freedom to protest would depend on who and what they are protesting. What? In the US, UK, and Australia, the right to protest (i.e. of speech) does not depend on what’s being protested in the way you’re implying.
- abdelhousni 8mo agoJust try to protest decades long ethnical cleansing and war of occupation occurring in Palestine in the USA of the UK, for example, like some students and people did in good conscience. You're a tad idealizing the limits of freedom of speech in the western countries.