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So true! And as any sane Apple user or the standard template Apple Support person would have suggested (and as they actually suggest) - did they try reinstallin

So true! And as any sane Apple user or the standard template Apple Support person would have suggested (and as they actually suggest) - did they try reinstalling the OS from scratch after having reset the data (of course before backing it up; preferably with a hefty iCloud+ plan)? Because that's the thing to do in such issues and it's very easy.

post-it 8mo ago
Reinstalling the OS sucks. I need to pull all my bank cards out of my safe and re-add their CVV's to the wallet, and sometimes authenticate over the phone. And re-register my face. And log back in to all my apps. It can take an hour or so, except it's spread out over weeks as I open an app and realize I need to log in a dozen times.
- RulerOf 8mo ago
  There was a magical period. I suspect it ended with the introduction of the Secure Enclave. But maybe it was a little later. An encrypted iTunes backup of a device was a perfect image. Take the backup, pull the SIM card, restore the backup to a new phone with the sim card installed, and it was like nothing had happened. No reauthentication. No missing notifications. No lost data. Ever. It was nice.
  - throwaway132448 8mo ago
    Security theatre killed this. Everyone must be assumed to be a moron incapable of living with the consequences of their own choices at all times.
    - fragmede 8mo ago
      It's not theater. If an attacker can duplicate your device, that's a problem.
      - throwaway132448 8mo ago
        Says who? How do you know what’s on my device, how much it matters to me, and what countless other options I have for recourse if that did happen?
        fragmede 8mo ago
        What does that have to do with it being theater or not?
        throwaway132448 8mo ago
        Because I’m saying the threat vector you used to justify it is not an issue for me at all, so it’s a baseless justification for “security”, ergo, theatre.
        fragmede 8mo ago
        That's still not theater though. Annoying? Yes, quite! But according to the definition: > Security theater is the practice of implementing security measures that are considered to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to achieve it.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater#:~:text=Security%20theater%20is%20the%20practice,or%20nothing%20to%20achieve%20it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater#:~:text=Secur... Just because it's annoying to you doesn't make it security theater.
        throwaway132448 8mo ago
        > while doing little or nothing to achieve it Adding additional security to something that doesn’t need security is basically doing this by definition. It’s adding nothing because nothing was needed. So yes, theatre.
        post-it 8mo ago
        I mean if you don't have anything important on your device then you won't have any hassle reinstalling the OS. Secure Enclave is optional.
- JCharante 8mo ago
  > And log back in to all my apps Isn’t this built in when transferring devices? Are backups different?
  - 0x457 8mo ago
    Some information stored in Secure Enclave and cannot be pulled out from there by design.

post-it 8mo ago

Reinstalling the OS sucks. I need to pull all my bank cards out of my safe and re-add their CVV's to the wallet, and sometimes authenticate over the phone. And re-register my face. And log back in to all my apps. It can take an hour or so, except it's spread out over weeks as I open an app and realize I need to log in a dozen times.

RulerOf 8mo ago
There was a magical period. I suspect it ended with the introduction of the Secure Enclave. But maybe it was a little later. An encrypted iTunes backup of a device was a perfect image. Take the backup, pull the SIM card, restore the backup to a new phone with the sim card installed, and it was like nothing had happened. No reauthentication. No missing notifications. No lost data. Ever. It was nice.
- throwaway132448 8mo ago
  Security theatre killed this. Everyone must be assumed to be a moron incapable of living with the consequences of their own choices at all times.
  - fragmede 8mo ago
    It's not theater. If an attacker can duplicate your device, that's a problem.
    - throwaway132448 8mo ago
      Says who? How do you know what’s on my device, how much it matters to me, and what countless other options I have for recourse if that did happen?
      - fragmede 8mo ago
        What does that have to do with it being theater or not?
        throwaway132448 8mo ago
        Because I’m saying the threat vector you used to justify it is not an issue for me at all, so it’s a baseless justification for “security”, ergo, theatre.
        fragmede 8mo ago
        That's still not theater though. Annoying? Yes, quite! But according to the definition: > Security theater is the practice of implementing security measures that are considered to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to achieve it.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater#:~:text=Security%20theater%20is%20the%20practice,or%20nothing%20to%20achieve%20it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater#:~:text=Secur... Just because it's annoying to you doesn't make it security theater.
        throwaway132448 8mo ago
        > while doing little or nothing to achieve it Adding additional security to something that doesn’t need security is basically doing this by definition. It’s adding nothing because nothing was needed. So yes, theatre.
      - post-it 8mo ago
        I mean if you don't have anything important on your device then you won't have any hassle reinstalling the OS. Secure Enclave is optional.
JCharante 8mo ago
> And log back in to all my apps Isn’t this built in when transferring devices? Are backups different?
- 0x457 8mo ago
  Some information stored in Secure Enclave and cannot be pulled out from there by design.