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To be fair, AWS downtime always make the news because they affect a lot of majors websites, but that doesn't mean an average sysadmin (or devops, whatever) woul

To be fair, AWS downtime always make the news because they affect a lot of majors websites, but that doesn't mean an average sysadmin (or devops, whatever) would do better in term of uptime with his own bay and his toys.

dennisgorelik 14y ago
SoftLayer that we use seems to be much more reliable than Amazon. At least more reliable than that particular Amazon's datacenter in Virginia.
- x3sphere 14y ago
  I agree, been with SL for 3 years, never had an outage apart from a drive failure one time but it was fixed within an hour.
apendleton 14y ago
But this is part of the problem: we have multiple web properties, and the fact that AWS issues can affect all of them at once is a huge downside. Certainly, if we ran on metal, we would have hardware fail, but failures would be likely to be better-isolated than at Amazon.
- override 14y ago
  Ah the argument of iron over cloud. It would cose significantly more to buy the hardware to be redundant enough to avoid a situation like today. If these large sites still aren't buying their own hardware that seems go along with that thinking.
- olalonde 14y ago
  @override: You are hellbanned.
toomuchtodo 14y ago
When our gear is down, we can actually get into the datacenter to fix it. What do you do when Amazon is down other than sweat?
- dredmorbius 14y ago
  When our datacenter is down (cause of our last two outages), we can actually get into the datacenter ... and watch them fix it. Or not.
- darrencauthon 14y ago
  There's not much sweating to do, as it always comes up relatively quickly.
  - toomuchtodo 14y ago
    How long was Amazon AWS "degraded" today?
    - acdha 14y ago
      2 minutes if you checked the "multi-AZ" box on your RDS instances or ELBs.
- SkyMarshal 14y ago
  1. Calculate the odds that a company with the resources of Amazon will be able to provide you better overall uptime and fault tolerance than you yourself could. 2. Calculate the cost of moving to the Oregon AWS datacenter. 3. Reassure your investors that outsourcing non-core competencies is still the way to go. 4. Try to, er, control, your inner control-freak. ;)
- Deestan 14y ago
  > we can actually get into the datacenter to fix it. But better and faster than Amazon? I'd rather spend three hours at home saying "Shit. Well, we'll just wait for Amazon to fix that", than dropping my dinner, driving to the datacenter, and spend three hours setting up a new instance and restoring from backup.

dennisgorelik 14y ago

SoftLayer that we use seems to be much more reliable than Amazon. At least more reliable than that particular Amazon's datacenter in Virginia.

x3sphere 14y ago
I agree, been with SL for 3 years, never had an outage apart from a drive failure one time but it was fixed within an hour.

apendleton 14y ago

But this is part of the problem: we have multiple web properties, and the fact that AWS issues can affect all of them at once is a huge downside. Certainly, if we ran on metal, we would have hardware fail, but failures would be likely to be better-isolated than at Amazon.

override 14y ago
Ah the argument of iron over cloud. It would cose significantly more to buy the hardware to be redundant enough to avoid a situation like today. If these large sites still aren't buying their own hardware that seems go along with that thinking.
olalonde 14y ago
@override: You are hellbanned.

toomuchtodo 14y ago

When our gear is down, we can actually get into the datacenter to fix it. What do you do when Amazon is down other than sweat?

dredmorbius 14y ago
When our datacenter is down (cause of our last two outages), we can actually get into the datacenter ... and watch them fix it. Or not.
darrencauthon 14y ago
There's not much sweating to do, as it always comes up relatively quickly.
- toomuchtodo 14y ago
  How long was Amazon AWS "degraded" today?
  - acdha 14y ago
    2 minutes if you checked the "multi-AZ" box on your RDS instances or ELBs.
SkyMarshal 14y ago
1. Calculate the odds that a company with the resources of Amazon will be able to provide you better overall uptime and fault tolerance than you yourself could. 2. Calculate the cost of moving to the Oregon AWS datacenter. 3. Reassure your investors that outsourcing non-core competencies is still the way to go. 4. Try to, er, control, your inner control-freak. ;)
Deestan 14y ago
> we can actually get into the datacenter to fix it. But better and faster than Amazon? I'd rather spend three hours at home saying "Shit. Well, we'll just wait for Amazon to fix that", than dropping my dinner, driving to the datacenter, and spend three hours setting up a new instance and restoring from backup.