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This makes me wonder if that line "I only got so many heart beats, I'm not going to waste them running" has some validity -- I thought Satchel Paige said it,

This makes me wonder if that line "I only got so many heart beats, I'm not going to waste them running" has some validity -- I thought Satchel Paige said it, but apparently not. He did say "I generally don’t like running. I believe in training by rising gently up and down from the bench. " Which also fits the "don't prematurely age the stem cells"

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EGreg 9mo ago
So Trump was onto something about conserving bodily energy? https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/politics/donald-trump-exercise-health-physical https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/politics/donald-trump-exercis...
vostok 9mo ago
Do you know if running causes a person to have more or less heartbeats in a given time span? I'm not particularly medically knowledgeable and not sure.
- normie3000 9mo ago
  During the run their heart rate will be higher, but afterwards their resting rate might be lower.
  - antisthenes 9mo ago
    Right, that was the question. Is there a net benefit?
    - import 9mo ago
      There is a net benefit. Your heart gets stronger and spends less effort for pumping out the blood. Your resting HR becomes lower and blood has more oxygen. And this happens 24/7. Assuming you’re running 5K 2 times in a week.
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toss1 9mo ago
Good question, but needs to be worked through more. Consider an average person's 72/min resting heartbeat. That will be (726024365.25=) 37,869,120 heartbeats per year or ~379 million/decade. Now, add strenuous running or cycling 5 hours/week, maybe a 10mi run, and a bunch of 20-60 minute runs. Call that average 180 beats/minute. That adds ((180-72)30052=) 1,684,800 beats/year, or +16 million per decade. The average person's 37,869,120 beats/yr divided by the exercising person's 27,349,920 yields a ratio of 1.3846. So, based on heartbeat count alone, the exerciser will live 38% longer. BUT, this kind of training will dramatically reduce the resting heartbeat. Training far less than this, my resting heartrate declined into the high-40s-low-50s, and has remained consistent for decades of mostly maintenance training. Most recent six month average is 52 beats/min. with far less than 5hr/week training, but let's use that. That means the resting heartrate is 27,349,920 beats/year, plus the added 1,684,800 exercise beats, making it 29,034,720 beats/year or ~290 million beats per decade. That means the exercising person 'spends' 8,834,400 FEWER* heartbeats per year, or saves 89 million heartbeats per decade.
- dathanb82 9mo ago
  It’s probably even more pronounced, since it’s unlikely that someone is going to _average_ 180bpm for their entire workout, especially as they get older.
  - toss1 9mo ago
    Exactly! And that level of workout will probably produce an even significantly lower resting heart rate than the 52 I cited. And for the top endurance athletes in distance running, cycling, nordic skiing, although they might spend 10+ hours/week at threshold or some training zone, so double those extra 'exercsie beats', they also often have resting heartrates in the low 40s/minute, which will yield an even greater lifespan if it is measured in heartbeate.
  - michaelhoney 9mo ago
    Yes: I'm 57 and my heartrate rarely goes over 150. ~135bpm is "run a 5k twice a week" pace, only maintained for 30 mins, and resting heart rate is ~50
atrettel 9mo ago
Even if this line is true, and I am not saying that it is, running and other cardiovascular activities lower your resting heart rate [1]. So even if you believe that you only have a finite number of heart beats, running should in fact increase your lifespan. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6306777/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6306777/
- esseph 9mo ago
  Unless you die on a trail run from a heart attack (This has happened to two family members that were both runners.)
  - rdmirza 9mo ago
    Two familial cases of sudden cardiac death? That’s not normal. That’s an indication to investigate.
    - esseph 9mo ago
      Generic heart disease runs in the family. Every male in my family basically dies of it, it doesn't matter how fit they are or how much they lift or run. Hasn't mattered. This goes back 5 or 6 generations.
      - esseph 9mo ago
        *Genetic!
- readthenotes1 8mo ago
  Yes, but iirc, Long distance runners have the same mortality as couch potatoes because their hearts give out
rybosworld 9mo ago
I think what you're getting at is: "does using our body also age it?" It's complicated but I recommend you read up on Hormesis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis Cells have thresholds for what's considered to be a "good" stressor or a "bad" stressor. Alcohol was thought to be hormetic for a long time (though, it maybe/probably isn't?) as it was thought that low doses could be beneficial with high doses obviously bad. Exercise is thought to be hormetic and there's quite a lot of research supporting that.

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EGreg 9mo ago

So Trump was onto something about conserving bodily energy? https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/politics/donald-trump-exercise-health-physical https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/politics/donald-trump-exercis...

vostok 9mo ago

Do you know if running causes a person to have more or less heartbeats in a given time span? I'm not particularly medically knowledgeable and not sure.

normie3000 9mo ago
During the run their heart rate will be higher, but afterwards their resting rate might be lower.
- antisthenes 9mo ago
  Right, that was the question. Is there a net benefit?
  - import 9mo ago
    There is a net benefit. Your heart gets stronger and spends less effort for pumping out the blood. Your resting HR becomes lower and blood has more oxygen. And this happens 24/7. Assuming you’re running 5K 2 times in a week.
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toss1 9mo ago

Good question, but needs to be worked through more. Consider an average person's 72/min resting heartbeat. That will be (726024365.25=) 37,869,120 heartbeats per year or ~379 million/decade. Now, add strenuous running or cycling 5 hours/week, maybe a 10mi run, and a bunch of 20-60 minute runs. Call that average 180 beats/minute. That adds ((180-72)30052=) 1,684,800 beats/year, or +16 million per decade. The average person's 37,869,120 beats/yr divided by the exercising person's 27,349,920 yields a ratio of 1.3846. So, based on heartbeat count alone, the exerciser will live 38% longer. BUT, this kind of training will dramatically reduce the resting heartbeat. Training far less than this, my resting heartrate declined into the high-40s-low-50s, and has remained consistent for decades of mostly maintenance training. Most recent six month average is 52 beats/min. with far less than 5hr/week training, but let's use that. That means the resting heartrate is 27,349,920 beats/year, plus the added 1,684,800 exercise beats, making it 29,034,720 beats/year or ~290 million beats per decade. That means the exercising person 'spends' 8,834,400 FEWER* heartbeats per year, or saves 89 million heartbeats per decade.

dathanb82 9mo ago
It’s probably even more pronounced, since it’s unlikely that someone is going to _average_ 180bpm for their entire workout, especially as they get older.
- toss1 9mo ago
  Exactly! And that level of workout will probably produce an even significantly lower resting heart rate than the 52 I cited. And for the top endurance athletes in distance running, cycling, nordic skiing, although they might spend 10+ hours/week at threshold or some training zone, so double those extra 'exercsie beats', they also often have resting heartrates in the low 40s/minute, which will yield an even greater lifespan if it is measured in heartbeate.
- michaelhoney 9mo ago
  Yes: I'm 57 and my heartrate rarely goes over 150. ~135bpm is "run a 5k twice a week" pace, only maintained for 30 mins, and resting heart rate is ~50

atrettel 9mo ago

Even if this line is true, and I am not saying that it is, running and other cardiovascular activities lower your resting heart rate [1]. So even if you believe that you only have a finite number of heart beats, running should in fact increase your lifespan. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6306777/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6306777/

esseph 9mo ago
Unless you die on a trail run from a heart attack (This has happened to two family members that were both runners.)
- rdmirza 9mo ago
  Two familial cases of sudden cardiac death? That’s not normal. That’s an indication to investigate.
  - esseph 9mo ago
    Generic heart disease runs in the family. Every male in my family basically dies of it, it doesn't matter how fit they are or how much they lift or run. Hasn't mattered. This goes back 5 or 6 generations.
    - esseph 9mo ago
      *Genetic!
readthenotes1 8mo ago
Yes, but iirc, Long distance runners have the same mortality as couch potatoes because their hearts give out

rybosworld 9mo ago

I think what you're getting at is: "does using our body also age it?" It's complicated but I recommend you read up on Hormesis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis Cells have thresholds for what's considered to be a "good" stressor or a "bad" stressor. Alcohol was thought to be hormetic for a long time (though, it maybe/probably isn't?) as it was thought that low doses could be beneficial with high doses obviously bad. Exercise is thought to be hormetic and there's quite a lot of research supporting that.