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> 40% of the people still approve of everything Trump is doing. Someone saying to a pollster that they approve of Trump is very different from them saying they
by _heimdall 9mo ago
> 40% of the people still approve of everything Trump is doing.
Someone saying to a pollster that they approve of Trump is very different from them saying they approve of everything he is doing.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo ago59% say ICE is too aggressive - meaning that 41% approve https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-59-voters-say-ice-too-aggressive-up-10-points-since-julyIt https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-59-voters-say...
- Forgeties79 9mo agoNo it means 41% don’t necessarily think they’re too aggressive.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoIsn’t that agreeing with him? HN loves to make excuses for the voters. If killing someone isn’t too aggressive what is? Killing and eating his kids? They think that is fine
- Forgeties79 9mo agoLet me be very clear: I think ICE is wildly out of bounds and killing/terrorizing people. I do not support them. I do not support the republican party or Trump. Quite the opposite. All of that being said: that is how polling works. You are inferring too far beyond the actual question posed. For instance, somebody could think they are acting too aggressively, but completely agree with the final outcome/objective. Or somebody could disagree with the objective, but think that they’re not acting too aggressively because perhaps they’re sympathetic to LEO’s having to make snap judgments in the field (an excuse I do not agree with but many do). I think the general sentiment that the question tells you something about how people support or don’t support ICE is valid, but the exact number and statement you’re throwing out cannot be assumed and is likely wrong, even if it’s maybe close. And that’s not even getting into how different people will have different ideas of what “too aggressive” even means. 59% think they’re being too aggressive, assuming the polling is decent quality, means you can credibly say 41% do not think ICE is being too aggressive.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoAgain so it’s not okay they are shooting people. But it’s fine if the outcome is that they are dead?
- Forgeties79 9mo agoHow on earth are you getting that from what I’m saying?
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoYou said they aren’t okay with the process - just the outcome
- Forgeties79 9mo agoWhen did I ever say that? I’m talking about polling. I said concretely that I am against what ICE/this admin is doing.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo ago“No it means 41% don’t necessarily think they’re too aggressive” I think “multiple people ending up dead” is a “too aggressive”
- Forgeties79 9mo agoI am talking about other people. I am talking about the statements you can make based off the polls. I don’t understand what the objection is here. I personally think ICE is terrible both in their mission and how they conduct it. I am against this.
- raw_anon_1111 9mo agoI am not casting aspersions on you or anyone else I’ve been replying to here. I am saying that people - including Michelle “this isn’t who we are” Obama who excuse the voters who still support this have their heads in the sand. This is exactly who 40% of the US is.