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> I wouldn't pick a language that's under control of a company Hmm... TypeScript: Microsoft Rust: Mozilla Go: Google Java: Oracle By your logic we should

> I wouldn't pick a language that's under control of a company Hmm... TypeScript: Microsoft Rust: Mozilla Go: Google Java: Oracle By your logic we should be programming in Common Lisp. ========== Edit: - Rust: Mozilla + Rust: Rust Foundation

scns 8mo ago
> Rust: Mozilla Nope. Not anymore, several years maybe?
WD-42 8mo ago
You forgot the most popular language in the world right now: Python: The Python Software Foundation Turns out two of the best languages don't need corporate overlords to steer their development.
- geysersam 8mo ago
  Not to mention C, C++, JS, PHP, bash. Hell there are so many great languages not controlled by big companies.
- tayo42 8mo ago
  Could that happen today though? I think python started in a very different world then today. Alot of its current popularity is becasue big companies developed the libraries that make up the foundation of Ai with it.
shawn_w 8mo ago
>... under control of a company I don't use. You left out an important part of the GP's comment. >By your logic we should be programming in Common Lisp. I wish. (Scheme is acceptable too)
- tialaramex 8mo ago
  I was talking about this at a party this afternoon (yes, I do go to the most interesting parties, thanks) and while Scheme is acceptable the Common Lisp is not because it's not OK to go without boolean primitives. Types are a good idea, if you have types the simplest is clearly the boolean, so start there. I believe firmly that there should be a single true value, which we might reasonably name true, and a single false value, false, other values aren't booleans, so it's no more reasonable to ask whether an empty string is false, than to just forget to close the quote marks on a string. What we wrote isn't a correct program.
  - shawn_w 8mo ago
    Scheme has a single false value (#f) but everything else is considered true...
  - behnamoh 8mo ago
    Any Lisp w/o image support is no true Lisp in my book. That leaves us with only Common Lisp and Janet. The others (Scheme, Clojure, etc.) are just Lispy syntax but lack the true "soul" of Lisp-style development.
    - int_19h 8mo ago
      Racket?
stackghost 8mo ago
Common Lisp is actually a great language. The SBCL implementation has a good compiler that produce reasonably fast code, and it's under active development. The only real drawback to common lisp is the fact that the library ecosystem is practically non-existent.

scns 8mo ago

> Rust: Mozilla Nope. Not anymore, several years maybe?

WD-42 8mo ago

You forgot the most popular language in the world right now: Python: The Python Software Foundation Turns out two of the best languages don't need corporate overlords to steer their development.

geysersam 8mo ago
Not to mention C, C++, JS, PHP, bash. Hell there are so many great languages not controlled by big companies.
tayo42 8mo ago
Could that happen today though? I think python started in a very different world then today. Alot of its current popularity is becasue big companies developed the libraries that make up the foundation of Ai with it.

shawn_w 8mo ago

>... under control of a company I don't use. You left out an important part of the GP's comment. >By your logic we should be programming in Common Lisp. I wish. (Scheme is acceptable too)

tialaramex 8mo ago
I was talking about this at a party this afternoon (yes, I do go to the most interesting parties, thanks) and while Scheme is acceptable the Common Lisp is not because it's not OK to go without boolean primitives. Types are a good idea, if you have types the simplest is clearly the boolean, so start there. I believe firmly that there should be a single true value, which we might reasonably name true, and a single false value, false, other values aren't booleans, so it's no more reasonable to ask whether an empty string is false, than to just forget to close the quote marks on a string. What we wrote isn't a correct program.
- shawn_w 8mo ago
  Scheme has a single false value (#f) but everything else is considered true...
- behnamoh 8mo ago
  Any Lisp w/o image support is no true Lisp in my book. That leaves us with only Common Lisp and Janet. The others (Scheme, Clojure, etc.) are just Lispy syntax but lack the true "soul" of Lisp-style development.
  - int_19h 8mo ago
    Racket?

stackghost 8mo ago

Common Lisp is actually a great language. The SBCL implementation has a good compiler that produce reasonably fast code, and it's under active development. The only real drawback to common lisp is the fact that the library ecosystem is practically non-existent.