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It is a bit more than "spitting on each other" which now is between the USA and its former allies. I seriously doubt that we will just go back to normal the mom
by generic92034 9mo ago
It is a bit more than "spitting on each other" which now is between the USA and its former allies. I seriously doubt that we will just go back to normal the moment there is a US president from the Democratic party. Possibly in some areas of politics and economy, in others (real) trust is more essential.
- ben_w 9mo agoI believe at the moment it's still in the "spitting on each other" phase. Had Trump actually invaded Greenland* (and likewise if he does so in the future), that's where the Rubicon gets crossed and there's no going back. I kinda do want it to have passed that point, but not as much as I'm glad he TACOed. * There's other metaphorical Rubicons available, this is just the one most in my mind given I live in the EU
- Throaway3126 9mo agoTrump and his team repeatedly saying they have no problems using force against Greenland and Canada were the red lines and they have already been crossed.
- ben_w 9mo agoI want those actions to have been the red line, and wish my representatives to treat it so if they are not yet. It is important to keep separate what I want to be and what is.
- Throaway3126 9mo agoThey are the red lines. There is no going back. The USA is too dangerous to rely on, that's quite clear. People don't quite realize how big a deal "invading" Greenland would have been. That's literally an act of war! What's next, occupying France? Saying that it's at all a possibility is far beyond any red line that the EU thought it would have to deal with. Not only would the rest of the world ditch the USA, but the Democrats themselves would take the opportunity to publically announce that they do not recognize Donald Trump's government.
- ExoticPearTree 9mo agoI'll bite. Nothing would have come of it. Ehe EU would have been upset for 3-6 months, then it would have got onboard with the idea that Greenland is now a US territory and that's that. France has a too good of a cuisine to be invaded. I think Germany would be next, they are running their mouth more than they should and they suck at food. Unless the mid-terms change the political majority in the US, the Democrats can wine all they want and recognize or not recognize whoever they want as president. It will not change the actual situation.
- Throaway3126 9mo agoSorry but you're just wrong. This isn't a situation to be upset about. Its war. There's no universe where the USA invasion of Greenland doesn't end in disaster for Trump. There's already been articles in Politico where USA lawmakers admit that there would have been a War Measures Act passed if Trump invaded Greenland. Unlike Venezuela. It would definitely change the political situation if the state governments of California, New York et al stopped recognizing the federal government.
- pixelpoet 9mo agoThis is some top notch r/ShitAmericansSay material, especially Germany "running their mouth" and having bad food. Add in democrats "wining" and I'm pretty sure this post belongs on a Confederate cooking blog rather than HN.
- danielmarkbruce 8mo agoExcept that he might be right... if you think there is no chance he's right, you aren't paying attention. These are strange times.
- DoesntMatter22 8mo agoEurope can’t defend itself without the US. That’s not the Us saying it that is coming from Europe itself. All this stuff is mostly grandstanding