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> What more do you need exactly? That's essentially all I would use from the incumbent cloud providers anyway. Pub/Sub, Dataflow, CDN, GLB to name a few. I cou

> What more do you need exactly? That's essentially all I would use from the incumbent cloud providers anyway. Pub/Sub, Dataflow, CDN, GLB to name a few. I could go on with the list of services currently used by the people that pay to push buttons. Not to sound offensive, but others have more than a Django app that they need to run.

Nextgrid 9mo ago
> I could go on with the list of services currently used by the people that pay to push buttons I too can build an engineering playground where every ingress byte traverses as many AWS services as I can find. But if you're building a business application, how many of these do you actually need? Once you have the basic primitives you can fill in the gaps yourself if needed. But in the list you provided, Pub/Sub, CDN and GLB is already covered actually. I'm sure in due time other services will be covered if there's enough demand, but to claim there is no EU alternative while the basics (app server + DB + S3, aka the most difficult to scale/operate yourself) are covered is a bit misleading I think.
- ExoticPearTree 9mo ago
  > I too can build an engineering playground where every ingress byte traverses as many AWS services as I can find. But if you're building a business application, how many of these do you actually need? I gave a real list, and all of them have real reasons for being used. I don't know from where you got the idea that apps are built just by chaining cloud services aimlessly. A company has more than one application or need.
  - Nextgrid 9mo ago
    My point is that you can go very far and solve real-world problems with the basic primitives alone. While I’m sure there are legitimate uses for the services you mentioned, I’ve also witnessed plenty of engineering playgrounds where complexity was a feature and services were used for the sake of it rather than due to a specific need.
jacquesm 9mo ago
Having to roll each of those by your lonesome is still preferable over having some asshole cut you off from the services that you pay for on a whim. And that sort of thing is definitely on the table. Trump came within a hair of starting a shooting war with Europe, that sort of thing tends to cause people to re-evaluate their relationships.
_fizz_buzz_ 9mo ago
I bet 90% of AWS customers could be served by something like 10% of their services.

Nextgrid 9mo ago

> I could go on with the list of services currently used by the people that pay to push buttons I too can build an engineering playground where every ingress byte traverses as many AWS services as I can find. But if you're building a business application, how many of these do you actually need? Once you have the basic primitives you can fill in the gaps yourself if needed. But in the list you provided, Pub/Sub, CDN and GLB is already covered actually. I'm sure in due time other services will be covered if there's enough demand, but to claim there is no EU alternative while the basics (app server + DB + S3, aka the most difficult to scale/operate yourself) are covered is a bit misleading I think.

ExoticPearTree 9mo ago
> I too can build an engineering playground where every ingress byte traverses as many AWS services as I can find. But if you're building a business application, how many of these do you actually need? I gave a real list, and all of them have real reasons for being used. I don't know from where you got the idea that apps are built just by chaining cloud services aimlessly. A company has more than one application or need.
- Nextgrid 9mo ago
  My point is that you can go very far and solve real-world problems with the basic primitives alone. While I’m sure there are legitimate uses for the services you mentioned, I’ve also witnessed plenty of engineering playgrounds where complexity was a feature and services were used for the sake of it rather than due to a specific need.

jacquesm 9mo ago

Having to roll each of those by your lonesome is still preferable over having some asshole cut you off from the services that you pay for on a whim. And that sort of thing is definitely on the table. Trump came within a hair of starting a shooting war with Europe, that sort of thing tends to cause people to re-evaluate their relationships.

_fizz_buzz_ 9mo ago

I bet 90% of AWS customers could be served by something like 10% of their services.