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I don't see Carmack or Torvalds doing this, so it's all good (for now).

by nvlled 8mo ago

Thanemate 8mo ago
The closest we've gone with Torvalds was using LLM's for non-important tasks.
WillAdams 8mo ago
Or Knuth.
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helloplanets 8mo ago
How big of a Carmack fan are you really, if you don't know one of his most well known takes on programming? (And you definitely don't need to be a fan.) Carmack has been heavily in favor of leveraging power tools since way back. Direct quote from the man himself: > I will engage with what I think your gripe is — AI tooling trivializing the skillsets of programmers, artists, and designers. > My first games involved hand assembling machine code and turning graph paper characters into hex digits. Software progress has made that work as irrelevant as chariot wheel maintenance. > Building power tools is central to all the progress in computers. > Game engines have radically expanded the range of people involved in game dev, even as they deemphasized the importance of much of my beloved system engineering. > AI tools will allow the best to reach even greater heights, while enabling smaller teams to accomplish more, and bring in some completely new creator demographics. > Yes, we will get to a world where you can get an interactive game (or novel, or movie) out of a prompt, but there will be far better exemplars of the medium still created by dedicated teams of passionate developers. > The world will be vastly wealthier in terms of the content available at any given cost. https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1909311174845329874 https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1909311174845329874
- fact_check_bot 8mo ago
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  - helloplanets 8mo ago
    An influencer, who could more than likely blow 99% of us out of the water when it comes to programming by hand with absolutely no tooling, at whatever level of abstraction. Same probably applies to Antirez.
- nvlled 8mo ago
  I've seen that before. Re-reading it, I don't really get the same "vibe" as antirez's level of AI advocacy. You also conveniently omitted the last paragraph of the tweet: > Will there be more or less game developer jobs? That is an open question. It could go the way of farming, where labor saving technology allow a tiny fraction of the previous workforce to satisfy everyone, or it could be like social media, where creative entrepreneurship has flourished at many different scales. Regardless, “don’t use power tools because they take people’s jobs” is not a winning strategy. But yeah, it (almost) sounds like an ad for AI, but I like to believe it's still a measured somewhat neutral stance. The difference is that Carmack doesn't consistently post things like this unprompted, unlike antirez.
eddyg 8mo ago
In case you didn’t know, Linus does vibe code now: https://github.com/torvalds/AudioNoise/blob/main/README.md https://github.com/torvalds/AudioNoise/blob/main/README.md
- nvlled 8mo ago
  Just the visualizer: > Also note that the python visualizer tool has been basically written by vibe-coding. Also that readme is still fairly technical, no any kind of advocacy or heavy pro-AI sentiments of any kind.

I don't see Carmack or Torvalds doing this, so it's all good (for now).

by nvlled 8mo ago

I don't see Carmack or Torvalds doing this, so it's all good (for now).

Thanemate 8mo ago

The closest we've gone with Torvalds was using LLM's for non-important tasks.

WillAdams 8mo ago

Or Knuth.

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helloplanets 8mo ago

How big of a Carmack fan are you really, if you don't know one of his most well known takes on programming? (And you definitely don't need to be a fan.) Carmack has been heavily in favor of leveraging power tools since way back. Direct quote from the man himself: > I will engage with what I think your gripe is — AI tooling trivializing the skillsets of programmers, artists, and designers. > My first games involved hand assembling machine code and turning graph paper characters into hex digits. Software progress has made that work as irrelevant as chariot wheel maintenance. > Building power tools is central to all the progress in computers. > Game engines have radically expanded the range of people involved in game dev, even as they deemphasized the importance of much of my beloved system engineering. > AI tools will allow the best to reach even greater heights, while enabling smaller teams to accomplish more, and bring in some completely new creator demographics. > Yes, we will get to a world where you can get an interactive game (or novel, or movie) out of a prompt, but there will be far better exemplars of the medium still created by dedicated teams of passionate developers. > The world will be vastly wealthier in terms of the content available at any given cost. https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1909311174845329874 https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1909311174845329874

fact_check_bot 8mo ago
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- helloplanets 8mo ago
  An influencer, who could more than likely blow 99% of us out of the water when it comes to programming by hand with absolutely no tooling, at whatever level of abstraction. Same probably applies to Antirez.
nvlled 8mo ago
I've seen that before. Re-reading it, I don't really get the same "vibe" as antirez's level of AI advocacy. You also conveniently omitted the last paragraph of the tweet: > Will there be more or less game developer jobs? That is an open question. It could go the way of farming, where labor saving technology allow a tiny fraction of the previous workforce to satisfy everyone, or it could be like social media, where creative entrepreneurship has flourished at many different scales. Regardless, “don’t use power tools because they take people’s jobs” is not a winning strategy. But yeah, it (almost) sounds like an ad for AI, but I like to believe it's still a measured somewhat neutral stance. The difference is that Carmack doesn't consistently post things like this unprompted, unlike antirez.

eddyg 8mo ago

In case you didn’t know, Linus does vibe code now: https://github.com/torvalds/AudioNoise/blob/main/README.md https://github.com/torvalds/AudioNoise/blob/main/README.md

nvlled 8mo ago
Just the visualizer: > Also note that the python visualizer tool has been basically written by vibe-coding. Also that readme is still fairly technical, no any kind of advocacy or heavy pro-AI sentiments of any kind.