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Last week I migrated our db away from AWS RDS to a European cloud provider. Everything runs fine and we also have it cheaper! One of our domains is due for ren

by 202508042147 8mo ago

Last week I migrated our db away from AWS RDS to a European cloud provider. Everything runs fine and we also have it cheaper! One of our domains is due for renewal in a couple of months. I'm setting up the transfer to a EU registrar for it next week. This all takes time and it's not the most important thing for the bottom line, but on the long run I'm sure I'll look back and say it was a great investment.

fdgfikgfv 8mo ago
This is happening in the US firms too. Yesterday, our CTO asked us to look into multi-cloud solutions. We know it is politically motivated decision with no cost savings or benefit.
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embedding-shape 8mo ago
> to a EU registrar Which one? I've been using DNSimple for so long, been trying to find something equally developer friendly who is based in Europe but haven't had much success. Used to use Gandi before DNSimple but it's obviously down the drain today.
- new23d 8mo ago
  netim.com has been reliable over the years for me
- 202508042147 8mo ago
  Best would be to research a local one where you live. Support your community while you're at it!
  - embedding-shape 8mo ago
    I live in a town with 10K other folks, I feel like I'd know if there was a local DNS registrar here :) But maybe I should be the change I wanna see!
- lillecarl 8mo ago
  I use Scaleway as my registrar, I don't know if i can automate domain registration but I don't have to. They have APIs for managing records if you choose to host DNS there too.
- hk__2 8mo ago
  What about OVH?
  - procaryote 8mo ago
    OVH is awful. The UI is slow and buggy, operations often fail and you need slow contact with support. Worse, closing an OVH account is very hard. Every domain you host there they sign you up to several services, and you need to manually disable each one before they let you close the account. This then often gets stuck, because of the broken UI, and you end up needing to badger support over and over until they'll fix it Never again
    - matteocontrini 8mo ago
      They're working on a new manager UI that should solve most pain points: https://x.com/i/status/2002765582073274826 https://x.com/i/status/2002765582073274826 https://x.com/i/status/2015829450764513753 https://x.com/i/status/2015829450764513753
  - rendaw 8mo ago
    They have Fido 2FA too! But their web UI looks and feels like it was pieced together by hamsters. It doesn't leave me feeling confident in their technical abilities in any way.
- nozzlegear 8mo ago
  I've been using DNSimple for ages and I'm looking to switch; not because of geopolitical reasons (I'm American), but they're just damn expensive for the simple dns and domain management stuff I use them for.
  - manmal 8mo ago
    Are there other good ones with such a nice API?
    - nozzlegear 8mo ago
      Good question! Ironically I want to use their API to migrate somewhere else, but it'd need to have a good API to complete the migration :P
  - aeden 8mo ago
    Sorry to hear that you're considering leaving. Is there a specific part of our pricing that you consider expensive? From the DNS side we've aligned pricing with what AWS, Google, and MSFT are charging, and for domains we've tried to stay competitive as well without completing removing our margins. Do you use specific features that are not available on our base plan?
rookonaut 8mo ago
Can you disclose which European cloud provider you chose?
- 202508042147 8mo ago
  We went with Hetzner as we already had good experiences with their VPSes. For this particular db migration, a resonably sized VPS with volumes does the job for us. We don't have planet scale operations so the lowish IOPS is not an issue atm. Also, with this experience at hand, I am confident that we'll manage another migration if need be.
  - mvelbaum 8mo ago
    do you use FDE on your hetzner instances? I couldn't find a guarantee that they properly dispose of block storage so I ended up developing a utility for this https://github.com/mvelbaum/hetzner-fde-toolkit https://github.com/mvelbaum/hetzner-fde-toolkit
  - gregman1 8mo ago
    Afaik Hetzner has a couple of server locations in the USA. Is it correct to say that Hetzner has to comply to US CLOUD Act and therefore give away any data requested?
    - MonkeyClub 8mo ago
      Depends on which data center you're hosted. The one under US jurisdiction operated by Hetzner US LLC must comply, while the German ones are operating under the GDPR, which has extraterritorial clauses can can deny or challenge the request.
      - rvnx 8mo ago
        It's not that guaranteed. The reality is that if you have any interest, company or employees in the US you can be coerced to do anything the US government wants. Either legally through courts, or through business influence, or through harassment (e.g. hardcore checks from the IRS). Sorry, Stripe rejects you now because you are high-risk (you have to explain why you refuse to help in criminal cases, though there is a court requesting you). You don't like to comply to US requests and protect terrorists ? https://support.stripe.com/questions/how-to-resolve-blocks-on-your-connected-accounts-caused-by-liens-or-levies https://support.stripe.com/questions/how-to-resolve-blocks-o... Still don't comply ? You are added to sanctions list, end of the game. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0185 https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0185 Even Microsoft acknowledges that these cross-border requests cannot be avoided. https://www.convotis.com/es/en/news/microsoft-access-eu-data https://www.convotis.com/es/en/news/microsoft-access-eu-data The same way that EU can force fetching data from the US entity. Now on the EU side: GDPR fine of 4% of your worldwide income. Well, too bad, your US entity refused, we will have to punish your EU entity very strongly. If small provider, oh right you refuse ? Well, we will notify your bank that you do not respect the court orders, etc. The law is one of the way of enforcement, but there are multiple stages of pressure. Still refuse ? Well, let's come to you at 6am then. https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/07/10/575154.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/07/10/57...
andsoitis 8mo ago
> Last week I migrated our db away from AWS RDS to a European cloud provider. Everything runs fine and we also have it cheaper! If I may ask, why didn't you choose the cheaper option before? What do you think you're trading off, if anything?
- 202508042147 8mo ago
  Going with the default, we were already using other services from them.
  - np_tedious 8mo ago
    So you still have other stuff with AWS?
    - deleted 8mo ago
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    - _fizz_buzz_ 8mo ago
      I think they meant it the other way around. They mostly used AWS and had already some stuff on Hetzner, which made switching over to Hetzner easier.
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fdgfikgfv 8mo ago

This is happening in the US firms too. Yesterday, our CTO asked us to look into multi-cloud solutions. We know it is politically motivated decision with no cost savings or benefit.

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embedding-shape 8mo ago

> to a EU registrar Which one? I've been using DNSimple for so long, been trying to find something equally developer friendly who is based in Europe but haven't had much success. Used to use Gandi before DNSimple but it's obviously down the drain today.

new23d 8mo ago
netim.com has been reliable over the years for me
202508042147 8mo ago
Best would be to research a local one where you live. Support your community while you're at it!
- embedding-shape 8mo ago
  I live in a town with 10K other folks, I feel like I'd know if there was a local DNS registrar here :) But maybe I should be the change I wanna see!
lillecarl 8mo ago
I use Scaleway as my registrar, I don't know if i can automate domain registration but I don't have to. They have APIs for managing records if you choose to host DNS there too.
hk__2 8mo ago
What about OVH?
- procaryote 8mo ago
  OVH is awful. The UI is slow and buggy, operations often fail and you need slow contact with support. Worse, closing an OVH account is very hard. Every domain you host there they sign you up to several services, and you need to manually disable each one before they let you close the account. This then often gets stuck, because of the broken UI, and you end up needing to badger support over and over until they'll fix it Never again
  - matteocontrini 8mo ago
    They're working on a new manager UI that should solve most pain points: https://x.com/i/status/2002765582073274826 https://x.com/i/status/2002765582073274826 https://x.com/i/status/2015829450764513753 https://x.com/i/status/2015829450764513753
- rendaw 8mo ago
  They have Fido 2FA too! But their web UI looks and feels like it was pieced together by hamsters. It doesn't leave me feeling confident in their technical abilities in any way.
nozzlegear 8mo ago
I've been using DNSimple for ages and I'm looking to switch; not because of geopolitical reasons (I'm American), but they're just damn expensive for the simple dns and domain management stuff I use them for.
- manmal 8mo ago
  Are there other good ones with such a nice API?
  - nozzlegear 8mo ago
    Good question! Ironically I want to use their API to migrate somewhere else, but it'd need to have a good API to complete the migration :P
- aeden 8mo ago
  Sorry to hear that you're considering leaving. Is there a specific part of our pricing that you consider expensive? From the DNS side we've aligned pricing with what AWS, Google, and MSFT are charging, and for domains we've tried to stay competitive as well without completing removing our margins. Do you use specific features that are not available on our base plan?

rookonaut 8mo ago

Can you disclose which European cloud provider you chose?

202508042147 8mo ago
We went with Hetzner as we already had good experiences with their VPSes. For this particular db migration, a resonably sized VPS with volumes does the job for us. We don't have planet scale operations so the lowish IOPS is not an issue atm. Also, with this experience at hand, I am confident that we'll manage another migration if need be.
- mvelbaum 8mo ago
  do you use FDE on your hetzner instances? I couldn't find a guarantee that they properly dispose of block storage so I ended up developing a utility for this https://github.com/mvelbaum/hetzner-fde-toolkit https://github.com/mvelbaum/hetzner-fde-toolkit
- gregman1 8mo ago
  Afaik Hetzner has a couple of server locations in the USA. Is it correct to say that Hetzner has to comply to US CLOUD Act and therefore give away any data requested?
  - MonkeyClub 8mo ago
    Depends on which data center you're hosted. The one under US jurisdiction operated by Hetzner US LLC must comply, while the German ones are operating under the GDPR, which has extraterritorial clauses can can deny or challenge the request.
    - rvnx 8mo ago
      It's not that guaranteed. The reality is that if you have any interest, company or employees in the US you can be coerced to do anything the US government wants. Either legally through courts, or through business influence, or through harassment (e.g. hardcore checks from the IRS). Sorry, Stripe rejects you now because you are high-risk (you have to explain why you refuse to help in criminal cases, though there is a court requesting you). You don't like to comply to US requests and protect terrorists ? https://support.stripe.com/questions/how-to-resolve-blocks-on-your-connected-accounts-caused-by-liens-or-levies https://support.stripe.com/questions/how-to-resolve-blocks-o... Still don't comply ? You are added to sanctions list, end of the game. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0185 https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0185 Even Microsoft acknowledges that these cross-border requests cannot be avoided. https://www.convotis.com/es/en/news/microsoft-access-eu-data https://www.convotis.com/es/en/news/microsoft-access-eu-data The same way that EU can force fetching data from the US entity. Now on the EU side: GDPR fine of 4% of your worldwide income. Well, too bad, your US entity refused, we will have to punish your EU entity very strongly. If small provider, oh right you refuse ? Well, we will notify your bank that you do not respect the court orders, etc. The law is one of the way of enforcement, but there are multiple stages of pressure. Still refuse ? Well, let's come to you at 6am then. https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/07/10/575154.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/07/10/57...

andsoitis 8mo ago

> Last week I migrated our db away from AWS RDS to a European cloud provider. Everything runs fine and we also have it cheaper! If I may ask, why didn't you choose the cheaper option before? What do you think you're trading off, if anything?

202508042147 8mo ago
Going with the default, we were already using other services from them.
- np_tedious 8mo ago
  So you still have other stuff with AWS?
  - deleted 8mo ago
    [deleted]
  - _fizz_buzz_ 8mo ago
    I think they meant it the other way around. They mostly used AWS and had already some stuff on Hetzner, which made switching over to Hetzner easier.

deleted 8mo ago

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