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It does not seem far-fetched the the plan would be to arrest anyone who looked vaguely non-white before they reach any swing-state polls in November. Just say i

by beej71 9mo ago

It does not seem far-fetched the the plan would be to arrest anyone who looked vaguely non-white before they reach any swing-state polls in November. Just say it's to preserve the integrity of the vote. Just the threat of arrest would be enough to suppress it.

nullocator 9mo ago
I think this would be too heavy handed. Depending on how the supreme court case goes if it's ruled that mail in ballots cannot be counted after election day, then I think it would be trivial to quietly setup a scheme where mail from reliably blue postal codes is rerouted and delayed just enough to swing the outcomes. There are quite a few states that have mail in voting. That and intimidating "poll watchers" is probably enough.
chneu 9mo ago
Install fear. Put up obstacles to vote. Great way to lower turnout in specific areas.
- hedora 9mo ago
  Historically, this has backfired in the US because we have low turnout elections. The people whose votes are being blocked get pissed and get off the couch on election day. The groups that would normally support the side that’s loudly suppressing the vote lose enthusiasm, and are less likely to bother voting. Hopefully, we’ll see the biggest example of this effect in recent memory this November.
  - beej71 9mo ago
    I hope so.
- burnt-resistor 9mo ago
  Instill* Fear is already installed as a byproduct of the regime.
atomic_reed 9mo ago
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- beej71 9mo ago
  > First, no citizens have been arrested. This is apparently not the case[1]. > if citizens are arrested they will eventually be released. Yes, but my point is that this will happen after the polls close. [1] https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...
  - diogenescynic 9mo ago
    There's an immigration checkpoint near my house. I've had to present my ID. It took all of 5 minutes and then I moved on with my life. The hysterical response to all this is ridiculous. When you get a hotel in Europe, they take a copy of your passport and track you. Why do people think every other country is different than what we are doing? In fact, we already have the most liberal immigration laws in the entire world, not even debatable. We let in more legal immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined. If you can't come here legally and you commit crimes, I have no problem with deporting them. Why would I fight to keep more criminals here when they have no right to be here? I don't understand the game democrats are playing at. I'd love to see liberals go to another country and realize most other countries are openly racist to a degree they wouldn't even comprehend. The real world is far from a cosmopolitan leftist utopia.
    - nmeagent 9mo ago
      > There's an immigration checkpoint near my house. I've had to present my ID. It took all of 5 minutes and then I moved on with my life. There's a very real possibility now that if you have the wrong physical attributes, encounter the wrong federal agent, or (in the near future) are insufficiently loyal as deemed by some unaccountable bureaucrat, that it may not take five minutes, but instead quite a long time, when at that checkpoint you are instead arbitrarily and illegally detained, whisked away to some holding camp several states away, and held without access to counsel or due process for some indeterminate length of time. Draconian immigration enforcement is currently used as an excuse to habituate people like you to arbitrary inspection and force. You're going to miss the rule of law when it's gone, so now would be a great time to stop being obtuse with this left-right culture nonsense and instead support the protection of all of the people's constitutional rights.

by beej71 9mo ago

nullocator 9mo ago

I think this would be too heavy handed. Depending on how the supreme court case goes if it's ruled that mail in ballots cannot be counted after election day, then I think it would be trivial to quietly setup a scheme where mail from reliably blue postal codes is rerouted and delayed just enough to swing the outcomes. There are quite a few states that have mail in voting. That and intimidating "poll watchers" is probably enough.

chneu 9mo ago

Install fear. Put up obstacles to vote. Great way to lower turnout in specific areas.

hedora 9mo ago
Historically, this has backfired in the US because we have low turnout elections. The people whose votes are being blocked get pissed and get off the couch on election day. The groups that would normally support the side that’s loudly suppressing the vote lose enthusiasm, and are less likely to bother voting. Hopefully, we’ll see the biggest example of this effect in recent memory this November.
- beej71 9mo ago
  I hope so.
burnt-resistor 9mo ago
Instill* Fear is already installed as a byproduct of the regime.

atomic_reed 9mo ago

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beej71 9mo ago
> First, no citizens have been arrested. This is apparently not the case[1]. > if citizens are arrested they will eventually be released. Yes, but my point is that this will happen after the polls close. [1] https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...
- diogenescynic 9mo ago
  There's an immigration checkpoint near my house. I've had to present my ID. It took all of 5 minutes and then I moved on with my life. The hysterical response to all this is ridiculous. When you get a hotel in Europe, they take a copy of your passport and track you. Why do people think every other country is different than what we are doing? In fact, we already have the most liberal immigration laws in the entire world, not even debatable. We let in more legal immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined. If you can't come here legally and you commit crimes, I have no problem with deporting them. Why would I fight to keep more criminals here when they have no right to be here? I don't understand the game democrats are playing at. I'd love to see liberals go to another country and realize most other countries are openly racist to a degree they wouldn't even comprehend. The real world is far from a cosmopolitan leftist utopia.
  - nmeagent 9mo ago
    > There's an immigration checkpoint near my house. I've had to present my ID. It took all of 5 minutes and then I moved on with my life. There's a very real possibility now that if you have the wrong physical attributes, encounter the wrong federal agent, or (in the near future) are insufficiently loyal as deemed by some unaccountable bureaucrat, that it may not take five minutes, but instead quite a long time, when at that checkpoint you are instead arbitrarily and illegally detained, whisked away to some holding camp several states away, and held without access to counsel or due process for some indeterminate length of time. Draconian immigration enforcement is currently used as an excuse to habituate people like you to arbitrary inspection and force. You're going to miss the rule of law when it's gone, so now would be a great time to stop being obtuse with this left-right culture nonsense and instead support the protection of all of the people's constitutional rights.