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How about Apple? How is Apple training its next foundation models?
by bredren 9mo ago
How about Apple? How is Apple training its next foundation models?
- consumer451 9mo agoTo use the parlance of this thread: "next" foundation models is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Am I doing this right? My point is, does Apple have any useful foundation models? Last I checked they made a deal with OpenAI, no wait, now with Google.
- system2 9mo agoI think Apple is waiting for the bubble to deflate, then do something different. And they have the ready to use user base to provide what they can make money from.
- ymyms 9mo agoThey apparently are working on and are going to release 2(!) different versions of siri. Idk, that just screams "leadership doesn't know what to do and can't make a tough decision" to me. but who knows? maybe two versions of siri is what people will want.
- consumer451 9mo agoArena mode! Which reply do you prefer? /s But seriously, would one be for newer phone/tablet models, and one for older?
- pinnochio 9mo agoIt sounds like the first one, based on Gemini, will be more a more limited version of the second ("competitive with Gemini 3"). IDK if the second is also based on Gemini, but I'd be surprised if that weren't the case. Seems like it's more a ramp-up than two completely separate Siri replacements.
- aurareturn 9mo agoApple can make more money from shorting the stock market, including their own stock, if they believe the bubble will deflate.
- amluto 9mo agoIf they were taking that approach, they would have absolutely first-class integration between AI tools and user data, complete with proper isolation for security and privacy and convenient ways for users to give agents access to the right things. And they would bide their time for the right models to show up at the right price with the right privacy guarantees. I see no evidence of this happening.
- irishcoffee 9mo agoAs an outsider, the only thing the two of you disagree on is timing. I probably side with the ‘time is running out’ team at the current juncture.
- wmf 9mo agoApple does have their own small foundation models but it's not clear they require a lot of GPUs to train.
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- consumer451 9mo agoDo you mean like OCR in photos? In that case, yes, I didn't think about that. Are there other use cases aside from speach to text in Siri?
- wmf 9mo agoI think they are also used for translation, summarization, etc. They're also available to other apps: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/FoundationModels https://developer.apple.com/documentation/FoundationModels
- consumer451 9mo agoThanks, I am a dumb dumb about Apple, and mobile in general. I should have known this. I really appreciate the reply so that I know it now.
- xvector 9mo agoApple is sitting this whole thing out. Bizarre.
- random_duck 9mo agoThey might know something?
- leptons 9mo agoMore like they don't know the things others do. Siri is a laughing stock.
- throwforfeds 9mo agoSure, Siri is, but do people really buy their phone based off of a voice assistant? We're nowhere near having an AI-first UX a la "Her" and it's unclear we'll even go in that direction in the next 10 years.
- cs_sorcerer 9mo agoFrom a technology standpoint I don’t feel Apple’s core competency is in AI model foundations
- vessenes 9mo agoI mean, they tried. They just tried and failed. It may work out for them, though — two years ago it looked like lift-off was likely, or at least possible, so having a frontier model was existential. Today it looks like you might be able to save many billions by being a fast follower. I wouldn’t be surprised if the lift-off narrative comes back around though; we still have maybe a decade until we really understand the best business model for LLMs and their siblings.
- pizlonator 9mo ago> I mean, they tried. They just tried and failed. They tried to do something that probably would have looked like Copilot integration into Windows, and they chose not to do that, because they discovered that it sucked. So, they failed in an internal sense, which is better than the externalized kind of failure that Microsoft experienced. I think that the nut that hasn't been cracked is: how do you get LLMs to replace the OS shell and core set of apps that folks use. I think Microsoft is trying by shipping stuff that sucks and pissing off customers, while Apple tried internally declined to ship it. OpenClaw might be the most interesting stab in that direction, but even that doesn't feel like the last word on the subject.
- downrightmike 9mo agoThey are in housing their AI to sell it as a secure way to AI, which 100% puts them in the lead for the foreseeable future.