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I actually think it's so bad in our country right now that if someone showed up at the court and snuck a gun in and shot Luigi in the back and killed him ... TH

I actually think it's so bad in our country right now that if someone showed up at the court and snuck a gun in and shot Luigi in the back and killed him ... THAT guy would definitely get the death penalty. (he should, but so should Luigi) It's all political at this point.

dagmx 8mo ago
Why should either of them get the death penalty?
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > Why should either of them get the death penalty? Pardons. If he's pardoned there is a good chance he'll kill again. (And inspire copycats.) We need to eliminate pardons across our system of justice. Between Biden pardoning his son and Trump pardoning the J6'ers, there should be a bipartisan case for closing this.
  - dagmx 8mo ago
    Why would he need to be pardoned to inspire copycats? Why wouldn’t his death cause him to become a martyr and inspire others? Why would he be pardoned by the governor at all? Why do you believe Hunter Biden being pardoned is on the same level as J6 being pardoned, when the reasoning (accurately) was to protect him from a perversion of the law in turn? Your entire argument is essentially “kill them before they can prove they’re not still a threat”.
    - ben_w 8mo ago
      > Why do you believe Hunter Biden being pardoned is on the same level as J6 being pardoned, when the reasoning (accurately) was to protect him from a perversion of the law in turn? Not to speak for JumpCrisscross, but IMO this could be construed not as "Hunter Biden being pardoned is on the same level as J6 being pardoned" but rather "Republicans will support the end of presidential pardoning because of Hunter Biden being pardoned, while Democrats will support the end of presidential pardoning because of J6 being pardoned".
  - DANmode 8mo ago
    or…if we’re at the point we need to neuter the power of the elected office, just randomly appoint people, and stop pretending what we’re doing is working.
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > if we’re at the point we need to neuter the power of the elected office Eliminating pardon power doesn’t neuter the Presidency or Governorships. The Romans didn’t even automatically grant the power to dictators.
      - DANmode 8mo ago
        “begin neutering”, then. Not arguing for the pardon power - just demanding better leadership.
JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> THAT guy would definitely get the death penalty If they did it in a federal court? Probably. If they did it in the state court? Probably not. New York doesn’t have the death penalty.

dagmx 8mo ago

Why should either of them get the death penalty?

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> Why should either of them get the death penalty? Pardons. If he's pardoned there is a good chance he'll kill again. (And inspire copycats.) We need to eliminate pardons across our system of justice. Between Biden pardoning his son and Trump pardoning the J6'ers, there should be a bipartisan case for closing this.
- dagmx 8mo ago
  Why would he need to be pardoned to inspire copycats? Why wouldn’t his death cause him to become a martyr and inspire others? Why would he be pardoned by the governor at all? Why do you believe Hunter Biden being pardoned is on the same level as J6 being pardoned, when the reasoning (accurately) was to protect him from a perversion of the law in turn? Your entire argument is essentially “kill them before they can prove they’re not still a threat”.
  - ben_w 8mo ago
    > Why do you believe Hunter Biden being pardoned is on the same level as J6 being pardoned, when the reasoning (accurately) was to protect him from a perversion of the law in turn? Not to speak for JumpCrisscross, but IMO this could be construed not as "Hunter Biden being pardoned is on the same level as J6 being pardoned" but rather "Republicans will support the end of presidential pardoning because of Hunter Biden being pardoned, while Democrats will support the end of presidential pardoning because of J6 being pardoned".
- DANmode 8mo ago
  or…if we’re at the point we need to neuter the power of the elected office, just randomly appoint people, and stop pretending what we’re doing is working.
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > if we’re at the point we need to neuter the power of the elected office Eliminating pardon power doesn’t neuter the Presidency or Governorships. The Romans didn’t even automatically grant the power to dictators.
    - DANmode 8mo ago
      “begin neutering”, then. Not arguing for the pardon power - just demanding better leadership.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago

> THAT guy would definitely get the death penalty If they did it in a federal court? Probably. If they did it in the state court? Probably not. New York doesn’t have the death penalty.