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Not only has OpenAI's market share gone down significantly in the last 6mo, Nvidia has been using its newfound liquid funds to train its own family of models[1]
by jjcm 9mo ago
Not only has OpenAI's market share gone down significantly in the last 6mo, Nvidia has been using its newfound liquid funds to train its own family of models[1]. An alliance with OpenAI just makes less sense today than it did 6mo ago.
[1] https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/open-models-data-tools-accelerate-ai/ https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/open-models-data-tools-acceler...
- funkyfiddler369 9mo ago[flagged]
- Onavo 9mo agoYou mean the DOW right?
- funkyfiddler369 9mo agoI'm afraid I don't know what that is. I meant thinking patterns that go beyond our understanding. High functioning autism that is beyond jealousy/envy, and beyond the need to hold or be on a leash and beyond the enigma of emotions that come with the influence to dump and pump stock market prices of precious, precious metals. Or, in other terms, the kind of intelligence that is built for abstract, distant, symbiotic humanity. From the POV of Earth as a system, we're quite the dumb nuisance. "Just get it, man". :D
- ekianjo 9mo agoChatGPT has nowhere the lead it used to have. Gemini is excellent and Google and Anthropic are very serious competitors. And open weight models are slowly catching up.
- funkyfiddler369 9mo ago[flagged]
- mnky9800n 9mo ago[flagged]
- funkyfiddler369 9mo agoNobody. Did you talk to all the models? Can you actually have a non-coder, human conversation?
- dang 9mo ago"Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
- mnky9800n 9mo agoSorry dang you are right and I was wrong to say that. Mea culpa.
- estearum 9mo agoChatGPT is a goner. OpenAI will probably rule the scam creation, porn bot, and social media slop markets. Gemini will own everything normie and professional services, and Anthropic will own engineering (at least software) Honestly as of the last few months anyone still hyping ChatGPT is outing themselves.
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- sailingparrot 9mo ago> Nvidia has been using its newfound liquid funds to train its own family of models Nvidia has always had its own family of models, it's nothing new and not something you should read too much into IMHO. They use those as template other people can leverage and they are of course optimized for Nvidia hardware. Nvidia has been training models in the Megatron family as well as many others since at least 2019 which was used as blueprint by many players. [1] [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.08053 https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.08053
- nl 9mo agoNemo is different to Megatron. Megatron was a research project. NVidia has professional services selling companies on using Nemo for user facing applications.
- breput 9mo agoNemotron-3-Nano-30B-A3B[0][1] is a very impressive local model. It is good with tool calling and works great with llama.cpp/Visual Studio Code/Roo Code for local development. It doesn't get a ton of attention on /r/LocalLLaMA but it is worth trying out, even if you have a relatively modest machine. [0] https://huggingface.co/nvidia/NVIDIA-Nemotron-3-Nano-30B-A3B-BF16 https://huggingface.co/nvidia/NVIDIA-Nemotron-3-Nano-30B-A3B... [1] https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Nemotron-3-Nano-30B-A3B-GGUF https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Nemotron-3-Nano-30B-A3B-GGUF
- jychang 9mo agoIt was good for like, one month. Qwen3 30b dominated for half a year before that, and GLM-4.7 Flash 30b took over the crown soon after Nemotron 3 Nano came out. There was basically no time period for it to shine.
- ThrowawayTestr 9mo agoGenuinely exciting to be around for this. Reminds me of the time when computers were said to be obsolete by the time you drove them home.
- TheRoque 9mo agoYeah. Even if OpenAI models were the best, I still wouldn't used them, given how the Sam Altman persona is despicable (constantly hyping, lying, asking for no regulations, then asking for regulations, leaked emails where founders say they just wanna get rich without any consideration of their initial "open" claims...). I know other companies are not better, but at least they have a business model and something to lose.
- pinnochio 9mo ago> leaked emails where founders say they just wanna get rich without any consideration of their initial "open" claims Point me to these? Would like to have a look.
- TheRoque 9mo agoSorry, not leaked emails, but it's the Greg Brockman's diary and leaked texts. I didn't find the original lawsuit documents, but there's a screenshot in this video: https://youtu.be/csybdOY_CQM?si=otx3yn4N26iZoN7L&t=182 https://youtu.be/csybdOY_CQM?si=otx3yn4N26iZoN7L&t=182 (timestamp is 3:02 if you don't see it) There's more details about the behind-the-scenes and greg brockman's diary leaks in this article: https://www.techbuzz.ai/articles/open-ai-lawsuit-exposed-the-private-diaries-secret-texts-and-500-billion-fraud-case-going-to-trial-in-2026 https://www.techbuzz.ai/articles/open-ai-lawsuit-exposed-the... Some documents are made public thanks to the Musk-OpenAI trial. I'll let you read a few articles about this lawsuit, but basically they said to Musk (and frankly, to everyone else) that they were committed to the non-profit model, while behind the scenes thinking about "making the billion" and turning for-profit.
- pinnochio 9mo agoMuch appreciated! Edit: Ah, so the fake investment announcements started from the very beginning. Incredible.
- philo_sophia 9mo agoHate that bringing fraud to justice means paying out to the wealthiest person on the planet....
- ryanSrich 9mo agoI think there are two things that happened 1. OpenAI bet largely on consumer. Consumers have mostly rejected AI. And in a lot of cases even hate it (can't go on TikTok or Reddit without people calling something slop, or hating on AI generated content). Anthropic on the other hand went all in on B2B and coding. That seems to be the much better market to be in. 2. Sam Altman is profoundly unlikable.
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- cschep 9mo ago#2 cannot be understated
- edoceo 9mo agoWas the golden boy for a while? What shifted? I don't even remember what he did "first" to get the status. Is it maybe just a case of familiarity breeding contempt?
- icepush 9mo agoIt is starting to become clear to more and more people that Sam is a dyed in the wool True Believer in AGI. While it's obvious in hindsight that OpenAI would never have gotten anywhere if he wasn't, seeing it so starkly is really rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.
- steveBK123 9mo agoAdvertising Generated Income?
- Bayko 9mo agoDamm this is smart. I like it
- ulfw 9mo agoAnd the whole AI craze is becoming nothing but a commodity business where all kinds of models are popping in and out, one better this update, the other better the next update etc. In short - they're basically indistinguishable for the average layman. Commodity businesses are price chasers. That's the only thing to compete on when product offerings are similar enough. AI valuations are not setup for this. AI Valuations are for 'winner takes all' implications. These are clearly now falling apart.
- Eridrus 9mo agoIt doesn't really feel like AI for coding is commoditized atm. As problematic as SWE-Bench is as a benchmark, the top commercial models are far better than anything else and it seems tough to see this as anything but a 3 horse race atm.
- randomNumber7 9mo agoWhen you have more users you get more data to improve your models. The bet is that one company will be able to lock in to this and be at the top constantly. I'm not saying this is what will happen, but people obviously bet a lot of money on that.
- ulfw 9mo agoProblem is you can easily train one model on the other. And at the end of the day everyone has access to enough data in one way or another.
- aurareturn 9mo agoNvidia isn’t competing with OpenAI for frontier models.
- irishcoffee 9mo agoAu contraire, they’re selling the shovels.
- gizajob 9mo agoBored of hearing this