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I'm not really arguing whether one action is any better or worse than the other; seeding a pile of ebooks isn't really something for which any valid defense can

by beedogs 14y ago

I'm not really arguing whether one action is any better or worse than the other; seeding a pile of ebooks isn't really something for which any valid defense can usually be given. My point is that there's clearly a very large amount of effort being expended protecting the ever-expanding rights of content owners, and -- near as I can tell -- zero effort being spent protecting content purchased by honest consumers from being taken from them without justification or recourse.

pi18n 14y ago
I mistook your comment for saying they were roughly equivalent, I didn't get that you were pointing out the expanding rights for corporations vs. contracting rights for individuals. Please accept my apologies, I do believe that what you are talking about is one of the most important problems we have to address in the coming years.
guard-of-terra 14y ago
"seeding a pile of ebooks isn't really something for which any valid defense can usually be given" How come? If you seed a pile of ebooks (let's assume it's a very big pile that contains a good chunk of books humanity considers important) than you're helping our culture spread. It is in fact very important for books to be massively copied in order to survive future catastrophes: whatever they come in form of nuclear winter, totalitarian copyright regime or cultural degradation and neglect. I have my torrent of 20G of compressed ebooks and I feel very prepared for a digital nuclear winter.
- VMG 14y ago
  Don't forget to share Hollywood blockbusters and AAA video games. The rebel alliance is counting on your support.
  - guard-of-terra 14y ago
    Hollywood blockbusters and AAA video games are disgusting as a concept; most are also lousy and boring as an implementation of that concept. So good news, I'm not pirating blockbusters, but bad news for you, I'm not paying for these either. No food for your thick sarcasm. What do I do? I support independent efforts while torrenting oldies and classics. You can say that latter is piracy, but I don't care and their authors don't care either, and I could not care less about "rights holders".
    - guard-of-terra 14y ago
      I enjoy how my comments get a few upvotes and then slowly sink. It is somehow nice to "suffer" for truth.
      - mejari 14y ago
        Maybe it's because you feel the need to use holier-than-thou language like "No food for your thick sarcasm." and "It is somehow nice to "suffer" for truth."
        guard-of-terra 14y ago
        Well, my analogy is: I made a story where I come to a forest and pick berries and mushrooms, and then the next commenter comes and tells me that he's sure I also come to private toilets and steal the precious shit to eat. First, I am not stealing shit, and second, I don't usually eat shit. This is plainly offensive so I had to "brace myself".
- awj 14y ago
  Yes, I'm sure "stockpiling against the need to re-create society" is much higher on most people's list than "I don't want to pay for the things I want".
  - guard-of-terra 14y ago
    I don't care about that. For most of that books, their authors are already dead; most of them are also forgotten to the point of being out-of-print. Your comment will be justified if the stockpile was smaller and more hit-driven, but 20G is a nice cultural pill you will have difficulty arguing about.
- jcmoscon 14y ago
  Seriously 20g? I bet you didn't read all of them!
  - jessaustin 14y ago
    Not yet. Other than reference materials and favorites "worth rereading", shouldn't most of the books in one's possession be those one hasn't yet read? When you're done with it pass it on to the next reader! Well that's how it works for physical books; I'm not sure about electronic ones.
- beedogs 14y ago
  While I think your reasoning is noble, even commendable, I don't think it would hold up well in a civil case. For the record, I'm in favor of this sort of "cultural hedging" as well, but I don't think it's something that most people would even think to do.
  - guard-of-terra 14y ago
    Well, so sue me. I was just arguing with books seeding "not being really something for which any valid defense can usually be given" If I should have read it as "any valid defense IN COURT can be given", then again, so sue me. But it's pretty easy to defend the morality of this case.
    - beedogs 14y ago
      I'm with you on the morality of it.
      - guard-of-terra 14y ago
        And in the times when I can torrent a whole library of culture-defining books (whose authors mostly either passed away or no longer care), the book selling industry should reconsider the question: what exactly are they selling? What is their place to contribute to the society? Is it only about pushing vampire books by living authors while withholding vampire books by deceased authors?

by beedogs 14y ago

pi18n 14y ago

I mistook your comment for saying they were roughly equivalent, I didn't get that you were pointing out the expanding rights for corporations vs. contracting rights for individuals. Please accept my apologies, I do believe that what you are talking about is one of the most important problems we have to address in the coming years.

guard-of-terra 14y ago

"seeding a pile of ebooks isn't really something for which any valid defense can usually be given" How come? If you seed a pile of ebooks (let's assume it's a very big pile that contains a good chunk of books humanity considers important) than you're helping our culture spread. It is in fact very important for books to be massively copied in order to survive future catastrophes: whatever they come in form of nuclear winter, totalitarian copyright regime or cultural degradation and neglect. I have my torrent of 20G of compressed ebooks and I feel very prepared for a digital nuclear winter.

VMG 14y ago
Don't forget to share Hollywood blockbusters and AAA video games. The rebel alliance is counting on your support.
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  Hollywood blockbusters and AAA video games are disgusting as a concept; most are also lousy and boring as an implementation of that concept. So good news, I'm not pirating blockbusters, but bad news for you, I'm not paying for these either. No food for your thick sarcasm. What do I do? I support independent efforts while torrenting oldies and classics. You can say that latter is piracy, but I don't care and their authors don't care either, and I could not care less about "rights holders".
  - guard-of-terra 14y ago
    I enjoy how my comments get a few upvotes and then slowly sink. It is somehow nice to "suffer" for truth.
    - mejari 14y ago
      Maybe it's because you feel the need to use holier-than-thou language like "No food for your thick sarcasm." and "It is somehow nice to "suffer" for truth."
      - guard-of-terra 14y ago
        Well, my analogy is: I made a story where I come to a forest and pick berries and mushrooms, and then the next commenter comes and tells me that he's sure I also come to private toilets and steal the precious shit to eat. First, I am not stealing shit, and second, I don't usually eat shit. This is plainly offensive so I had to "brace myself".
awj 14y ago
Yes, I'm sure "stockpiling against the need to re-create society" is much higher on most people's list than "I don't want to pay for the things I want".
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  I don't care about that. For most of that books, their authors are already dead; most of them are also forgotten to the point of being out-of-print. Your comment will be justified if the stockpile was smaller and more hit-driven, but 20G is a nice cultural pill you will have difficulty arguing about.
jcmoscon 14y ago
Seriously 20g? I bet you didn't read all of them!
- jessaustin 14y ago
  Not yet. Other than reference materials and favorites "worth rereading", shouldn't most of the books in one's possession be those one hasn't yet read? When you're done with it pass it on to the next reader! Well that's how it works for physical books; I'm not sure about electronic ones.
beedogs 14y ago
While I think your reasoning is noble, even commendable, I don't think it would hold up well in a civil case. For the record, I'm in favor of this sort of "cultural hedging" as well, but I don't think it's something that most people would even think to do.
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  Well, so sue me. I was just arguing with books seeding "not being really something for which any valid defense can usually be given" If I should have read it as "any valid defense IN COURT can be given", then again, so sue me. But it's pretty easy to defend the morality of this case.
  - beedogs 14y ago
    I'm with you on the morality of it.
    - guard-of-terra 14y ago
      And in the times when I can torrent a whole library of culture-defining books (whose authors mostly either passed away or no longer care), the book selling industry should reconsider the question: what exactly are they selling? What is their place to contribute to the society? Is it only about pushing vampire books by living authors while withholding vampire books by deceased authors?