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I can't imagine that Peerweb has much in the way of stopping certain types of material from being uploaded.

by SLWW 8mo ago

estimator7292 8mo ago
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- ericyd 8mo ago
  This response feels disproportionate to the comment's comment
  - rainonmoon 8mo ago
    And also just… misguided? I don’t particularly think of neo-Nazis when I think of people who advocate against CSAM.
    - SLWW 8mo ago
      We all know that CSAM is one of the first things that gets uploaded to these sorts of platforms. If advocating against CSAM = Fascism then I'll be the first to say that i'm a nazi facist. o7
      - rainonmoon 8mo ago
        Yeah, I’m fully in support of a decentralised web but the internet is old enough now that being naive about this stuff has become equivalent to being maliciously incompetent. Without designing for things like community or self-governance and moderation, you’re designing for trouble. Thinking about ways to healthily cultivate a peer-to-peer web doesn’t make someone a Nazi, it makes them a responsible member of a community.
      - tombert 8mo ago
        In high school, an acquaintance of mine made the website "e-imagesite.com" [1]. It was a very easy-to-use image uploading site (and honestly less irritating than ImageShack and predated imgur). It was just being hosted on HostGator, I believe, and written in PHP and used jQuery. I believe he had to eventually shut it down because people kept uploading horrifying stuff to it, and it was never even that popular. Child porn and bestiality were constantly being uploaded and I don't think he liked having to constantly report stuff to the FBI. After building a proper comment section for my blog (including tripcodes!), I've thought about making my own "chan" site, since I think that could be fun, but I am completely terrified of people uploading horrible stuff that I would be forced to sift through and moderate pretty frequently. User submissions open up a huge legal can of worms and I am not sure that's a path that I'm willing to commit myself going down. When there's strong anonymity, I suspect that this problem could be even worse. It's a little depressing, because decentralized and distributed computing is one of the most interesting parts of computer science to me, but it feels like whenever I mention anything about it, people immediately assume piracy or illicit material. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20090313063155/http://www.e-imagesite.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20090313063155/http://www.e-imag...
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b00ty4breakfast 8mo ago
you can't stop someone from verbally describing certain objectionable material, therefore we should regulate the medium thru which sound travels and suck up all the oxygen on the planet. it's the only way to save the children
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- palata 8mo ago
  You're so right! I had never thought of that! We should remove all moderation everywhere, everything should be legal everywhere all the time! /s
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  - SLWW 8mo ago
    I wonder who censored my other response to another commenter (I said that if being against hosting CSA means I'm a 'n4z1' than I'm ok with that derogatory label) Though the irony of being censored while talking about how CSA should be censored is very funny to me. These pro-speech absolutists (who are usually libertarian) miss that NAP is clearly violated when any abuse is hosted/disseminated. Additionally while speech should never be censored.. everything must be permissible if all media is speech. You can have a society that censors multi-media but not the caption/description attached; other allowances (for other types of "speech") always leads to the most degenerate of people having a voice while everyone else is punished for calling them out.
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j45 8mo ago
Smaller site likely have a smaller footprint

I can't imagine that Peerweb has much in the way of stopping certain types of material from being uploaded.

by SLWW 8mo ago

I can't imagine that Peerweb has much in the way of stopping certain types of material from being uploaded.

estimator7292 8mo ago

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ericyd 8mo ago
This response feels disproportionate to the comment's comment
- rainonmoon 8mo ago
  And also just… misguided? I don’t particularly think of neo-Nazis when I think of people who advocate against CSAM.
  - SLWW 8mo ago
    We all know that CSAM is one of the first things that gets uploaded to these sorts of platforms. If advocating against CSAM = Fascism then I'll be the first to say that i'm a nazi facist. o7
    - rainonmoon 8mo ago
      Yeah, I’m fully in support of a decentralised web but the internet is old enough now that being naive about this stuff has become equivalent to being maliciously incompetent. Without designing for things like community or self-governance and moderation, you’re designing for trouble. Thinking about ways to healthily cultivate a peer-to-peer web doesn’t make someone a Nazi, it makes them a responsible member of a community.
    - tombert 8mo ago
      In high school, an acquaintance of mine made the website "e-imagesite.com" [1]. It was a very easy-to-use image uploading site (and honestly less irritating than ImageShack and predated imgur). It was just being hosted on HostGator, I believe, and written in PHP and used jQuery. I believe he had to eventually shut it down because people kept uploading horrifying stuff to it, and it was never even that popular. Child porn and bestiality were constantly being uploaded and I don't think he liked having to constantly report stuff to the FBI. After building a proper comment section for my blog (including tripcodes!), I've thought about making my own "chan" site, since I think that could be fun, but I am completely terrified of people uploading horrible stuff that I would be forced to sift through and moderate pretty frequently. User submissions open up a huge legal can of worms and I am not sure that's a path that I'm willing to commit myself going down. When there's strong anonymity, I suspect that this problem could be even worse. It's a little depressing, because decentralized and distributed computing is one of the most interesting parts of computer science to me, but it feels like whenever I mention anything about it, people immediately assume piracy or illicit material. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20090313063155/http://www.e-imagesite.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20090313063155/http://www.e-imag...
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b00ty4breakfast 8mo ago

you can't stop someone from verbally describing certain objectionable material, therefore we should regulate the medium thru which sound travels and suck up all the oxygen on the planet. it's the only way to save the children

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palata 8mo ago
You're so right! I had never thought of that! We should remove all moderation everywhere, everything should be legal everywhere all the time! /s
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- SLWW 8mo ago
  I wonder who censored my other response to another commenter (I said that if being against hosting CSA means I'm a 'n4z1' than I'm ok with that derogatory label) Though the irony of being censored while talking about how CSA should be censored is very funny to me. These pro-speech absolutists (who are usually libertarian) miss that NAP is clearly violated when any abuse is hosted/disseminated. Additionally while speech should never be censored.. everything must be permissible if all media is speech. You can have a society that censors multi-media but not the caption/description attached; other allowances (for other types of "speech") always leads to the most degenerate of people having a voice while everyone else is punished for calling them out.

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j45 8mo ago

Smaller site likely have a smaller footprint