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You can actually do that. Except that they could just buy one themselves. Companies exist that buy cars just to tear them down and publish reports on what the

You can actually do that. Except that they could just buy one themselves. Companies exist that buy cars just to tear them down and publish reports on what they find.

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9rx 8mo ago
> Companies exist that buy cars just to tear them down and publish reports on what they find. What does it mean to tear down software, exactly? Are you thinking of something like decompilation? You can do that, but you're probably not going to learn all that much, and you still can't use it in any meaningful sense as you never bought it in the first place. You only licensed use of it as a consumer (and now that it is subscription-only, maybe not even that). If you have to rebuild the whole thing yourself anyway, what have you really gained? Its not exactly a secret how the technology works, only costly to build. > Except that they could just buy one themselves. That is unlikely, unless you mean buying Tesla outright? Getting a license to use it as a manufacturer is much more realistic, but still a license.
- recursive 8mo ago
  Check out Munro and Associates. I'm not talking about software. The whole car.
  - 9rx 8mo ago
    For what reason? In case you have forgotten, the discussion is about self-driving technology, and specifically Tesla's at that. The original questioner asked why he is liable when it is Tesla's property that is making the decisions. Of course, the most direct answer is because Tesla disclaims any liability in the license agreement you must agree to in order to use said property. Which has nothing to do with an independent consulting firm or "the whole car" as far as I can see. The connection you are trying to establish is unclear. Perhaps you pressed the wrong 'reply' button by mistake?
    - recursive 8mo ago
      I started responding to this. I interpreted it to be referring to the whole car. > Yep, you bought it, you own it, you choose to operate it on the public roads. Therefore your liability.

You can actually do that. Except that they could just buy one themselves. Companies exist that buy cars just to tear them down and publish reports on what they find.

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9rx 8mo ago

> Companies exist that buy cars just to tear them down and publish reports on what they find. What does it mean to tear down software, exactly? Are you thinking of something like decompilation? You can do that, but you're probably not going to learn all that much, and you still can't use it in any meaningful sense as you never bought it in the first place. You only licensed use of it as a consumer (and now that it is subscription-only, maybe not even that). If you have to rebuild the whole thing yourself anyway, what have you really gained? Its not exactly a secret how the technology works, only costly to build. > Except that they could just buy one themselves. That is unlikely, unless you mean buying Tesla outright? Getting a license to use it as a manufacturer is much more realistic, but still a license.

recursive 8mo ago
Check out Munro and Associates. I'm not talking about software. The whole car.
- 9rx 8mo ago
  For what reason? In case you have forgotten, the discussion is about self-driving technology, and specifically Tesla's at that. The original questioner asked why he is liable when it is Tesla's property that is making the decisions. Of course, the most direct answer is because Tesla disclaims any liability in the license agreement you must agree to in order to use said property. Which has nothing to do with an independent consulting firm or "the whole car" as far as I can see. The connection you are trying to establish is unclear. Perhaps you pressed the wrong 'reply' button by mistake?
  - recursive 8mo ago
    I started responding to this. I interpreted it to be referring to the whole car. > Yep, you bought it, you own it, you choose to operate it on the public roads. Therefore your liability.