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Good they moderate. Most interesting is that they report a 60% increase user increase, up to 41M users. Considering how bad I heard "the other network" is now I

by vladms 9mo ago

Good they moderate. Most interesting is that they report a 60% increase user increase, up to 41M users. Considering how bad I heard "the other network" is now I wonder why so few. I have a look at Bluesky from time to time and there is (for me ofc) as much info/interesting stuff as I was getting from the other one before the acquisition.

cryptoegorophy 9mo ago
How many are daily active users? I can’t find that info.
- sejje 9mo ago
  How many are bots?
  - luses 9mo ago
    [flagged]
- kattagarian 9mo ago
  You can find more details here: https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
  - extraduder_ire 9mo ago
    These are from posts/follows/likes. According to their CTO, about that same number of accounts on top of that don't do any of that and just visit/read the site.
wiredone 9mo ago
there actually isn’t much good content on the platform in my experience. it’s just people raging about trump and whatever brand they’re looking to try and cancel next. it’s so far from the greatness of the original twitter. no tech community or content.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  while trump should be raged about — in productive ways, ideally — it's not good content. nobody is signing up to see trump rage over and over.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
  I have never been on twitter so I don't really know but I can agree that we see tech community in twitter but the same isn't really there in bluesky. Although I still have a web/programming which I follow and have found some people interesting from Hackernews and others too in bluesky (emsh,simonw) What is the HN consensus around lemmy? I really like lemmy and think that it might be better for tech stuff (almost similar to HN/reddit you can say and federated) I used to follow lemmy c/technology but I do feel like HN is pretty unique in its own manner. Regarding twitter alternative itself. Maybe mastodon too can be an alternative. Another minor nitpick about bluesky is that its 200 characters limits actually really removes the tech community from too deep discussions imo. Although I guess twitter had that limit for long time too until it got removed but now I do see sometimes some tweets which are really long (sometimes even complete blog?) It actually really (pissed?) me off so much that I ended up making a tampermonkey script which can actually write a long message automatically and split a message into 200 messages chunk and post them in a thread of sorts you can say although its very hacky and messy and it starts to glitch around 10 threads from what I remember.
  - extraduder_ire 9mo ago
    It's 300 characters. Have you considered writing it on leaflet.pub or something and linking it, if it's not a back and forth? There's already a + button in the post composer to split into multiple posts. I think there's a few tweetlonger-type services that people have tried to make, but with atproto they can at least embed that extra text into the post (100kb limit), so the site only needs to stick around to view it.
    - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
      > I think there's a few tweetlonger-type services that people have tried to make, but with atproto they can at least embed that extra text into the post (100kb limit), so the site only needs to stick around to view it. Woah I didn't know this was possible, definitely gonna try out leaflet.pub, I did know about it, let's see. Thank you for telling me about this! Edit: Now tried leaflet.pub, looks really cool. I am gonna use it from here on out because I used to use mataroa.blog or bearblog but they didn't have comments and comments were something I always wondered. Its comments actually hook up to bluesky itself. this does feel interesting. I might use it from here on out or maybe the fediverse alternative to something like this (i think its name was writty or something like this) but I am pretty sure that I am gonna nowadays write on leaflet too a litte haha! Thanks for sharing me this. I knew about leaflet.pub but didn't know that it hooked with bsky so well. Is it a recent feature or is it the case where I maybe misremembering somethings?
bakugo 9mo ago
A lot of people joined in late 2024, resulting in a peak of around 2.7M daily users, but most of those users ended up leaving soon after, likely because the site was just one big echo chamber of far left American politics around that time. It doesn't seem to be as bad anymore, a quick glance at the public feed suggests that the percentage of political posts has gone down, but considering how many times the word "toxic" appears in this linked blogpost, I'm guessing they're still banning anyone who expresses the "wrong" opinions, so the userbase is unlikely to grow much further in the future. It seems to have plateaued at around 1.2M daily likers. Source for the stats: https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
- swed420 9mo ago
  > likely because the site was just one big echo chamber of far left American politics around that time. The US does not have a "far left" in any significant numbers, and never has. At least not in a self-aware sense. Maybe you meant to say liberal, to which I'd agree. That's not to say there isn't a "left" or "far left" on Bluesky, but there's no way it's a majority. I agree echo chambers are a problem there, which is why I only posted there briefly before leaving. One feature that seemed to exacerbate the formation of echo chambers was users sharing and blindly trusting mass block lists to silence things they didn't want to hear (leftists and liberals alike).
  - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
    > The US does not have a "far left" in any significant numbers, and never has. Bluesky does, however. Clearly they've made that their target market, but that's also why growing beyond that base seems to be difficult for them,
    - swed420 9mo ago
      No. Pre-Musk twitter was a liberal cesspool (and now it's a conservative one). Most of those liberals jumped ship to Bluesky. Again, that's not to say lefists don't exist, but they are a tiny fraction, and always were a tiny fraction no matter what platform. Don't rule out bots that exist in numbers to make the actual left appear like a deranged spectacle as a form of controlled opposition. Both parties of capital interests have a role in and benefit from these.
frumplestlatz 9mo ago
> Good they moderate. I can moderate my own feed -- the majority of people don't need, want, or enjoy an overtly paternalistic hugbox, and especially if moderation tends to be unidirectionally skewed in one political direction. It's not surprising that growth is slow.
- SketchySeaBeast 9mo ago
  On one side, sure, there's "overly paternalistic" moderation, but, on the other, there's AI powered revenge porn running rampant, so I'd argue there should be at least some moderation.
  - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
    Calling a juvenile bikini edit "AI-powered revenge porn" is incorrect by definition. Revenge porn involves the non-consensual distribution of real, explicit sexual imagery of an identifiable person with the intent to cause harm. Lumping sophomoric image edits into that category is exactly the kind of moral and definitional inflation being actively used to manufacture pretext for suppressing speech under the guise of "moderation."
    - SketchySeaBeast 9mo ago
      You're right, we must be accurate in our terms, but that misclassifcation isn't worse than the act itself. The generation of deepfake non-consensual sexual images isn't revenge porn, because the woman in the image didn't even given initial consent. It being used to harass women is still a problem and is the sort of thing that requires moderation. It's not "sophomoric", it's exploitative and, in some states, illegal.
      - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
        You’ve agreed this isn’t revenge porn. The case for moderation must stand or fall under the correct classification. Harm has not been demonstrated. Annoyance or offense is not injury, and discomfort is not exploitation. Without evidence of systematic, material harm -- and without showing that enforcement would not introduce greater error and speech suppression -- the justification for moderation fails. Vague claims of illegality are irrelevant. A non-explicit image edit is not criminal in any US jurisdiction absent additional elements such as explicit sexual content, fraud, extortion, or targeted harassment; invoking “illegal in some states” -- without naming conduct and statute -- is just noise. "Put them in a bikini" is closer to low-effort mockery than to any recognized category of sexual harm. The level of alarm being applied here is grossly disproportionate to the act itself and is merely being used as a pretext for broader intervention.
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egorfine 9mo ago
> Good they moderate. I'm not sure about that. I'd rather decide for myself what I want to read and what I do not. I'd love to not delegate this important decision to corporate overlords.

by vladms 9mo ago

cryptoegorophy 9mo ago

How many are daily active users? I can’t find that info.

sejje 9mo ago
How many are bots?
- luses 9mo ago
  [flagged]
kattagarian 9mo ago
You can find more details here: https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
- extraduder_ire 9mo ago
  These are from posts/follows/likes. According to their CTO, about that same number of accounts on top of that don't do any of that and just visit/read the site.

wiredone 9mo ago

there actually isn’t much good content on the platform in my experience. it’s just people raging about trump and whatever brand they’re looking to try and cancel next. it’s so far from the greatness of the original twitter. no tech community or content.

direwolf20 9mo ago
while trump should be raged about — in productive ways, ideally — it's not good content. nobody is signing up to see trump rage over and over.
Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
I have never been on twitter so I don't really know but I can agree that we see tech community in twitter but the same isn't really there in bluesky. Although I still have a web/programming which I follow and have found some people interesting from Hackernews and others too in bluesky (emsh,simonw) What is the HN consensus around lemmy? I really like lemmy and think that it might be better for tech stuff (almost similar to HN/reddit you can say and federated) I used to follow lemmy c/technology but I do feel like HN is pretty unique in its own manner. Regarding twitter alternative itself. Maybe mastodon too can be an alternative. Another minor nitpick about bluesky is that its 200 characters limits actually really removes the tech community from too deep discussions imo. Although I guess twitter had that limit for long time too until it got removed but now I do see sometimes some tweets which are really long (sometimes even complete blog?) It actually really (pissed?) me off so much that I ended up making a tampermonkey script which can actually write a long message automatically and split a message into 200 messages chunk and post them in a thread of sorts you can say although its very hacky and messy and it starts to glitch around 10 threads from what I remember.
- extraduder_ire 9mo ago
  It's 300 characters. Have you considered writing it on leaflet.pub or something and linking it, if it's not a back and forth? There's already a + button in the post composer to split into multiple posts. I think there's a few tweetlonger-type services that people have tried to make, but with atproto they can at least embed that extra text into the post (100kb limit), so the site only needs to stick around to view it.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    > I think there's a few tweetlonger-type services that people have tried to make, but with atproto they can at least embed that extra text into the post (100kb limit), so the site only needs to stick around to view it. Woah I didn't know this was possible, definitely gonna try out leaflet.pub, I did know about it, let's see. Thank you for telling me about this! Edit: Now tried leaflet.pub, looks really cool. I am gonna use it from here on out because I used to use mataroa.blog or bearblog but they didn't have comments and comments were something I always wondered. Its comments actually hook up to bluesky itself. this does feel interesting. I might use it from here on out or maybe the fediverse alternative to something like this (i think its name was writty or something like this) but I am pretty sure that I am gonna nowadays write on leaflet too a litte haha! Thanks for sharing me this. I knew about leaflet.pub but didn't know that it hooked with bsky so well. Is it a recent feature or is it the case where I maybe misremembering somethings?

bakugo 9mo ago

A lot of people joined in late 2024, resulting in a peak of around 2.7M daily users, but most of those users ended up leaving soon after, likely because the site was just one big echo chamber of far left American politics around that time. It doesn't seem to be as bad anymore, a quick glance at the public feed suggests that the percentage of political posts has gone down, but considering how many times the word "toxic" appears in this linked blogpost, I'm guessing they're still banning anyone who expresses the "wrong" opinions, so the userbase is unlikely to grow much further in the future. It seems to have plateaued at around 1.2M daily likers. Source for the stats: https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

swed420 9mo ago
> likely because the site was just one big echo chamber of far left American politics around that time. The US does not have a "far left" in any significant numbers, and never has. At least not in a self-aware sense. Maybe you meant to say liberal, to which I'd agree. That's not to say there isn't a "left" or "far left" on Bluesky, but there's no way it's a majority. I agree echo chambers are a problem there, which is why I only posted there briefly before leaving. One feature that seemed to exacerbate the formation of echo chambers was users sharing and blindly trusting mass block lists to silence things they didn't want to hear (leftists and liberals alike).
- frumplestlatz 9mo ago
  > The US does not have a "far left" in any significant numbers, and never has. Bluesky does, however. Clearly they've made that their target market, but that's also why growing beyond that base seems to be difficult for them,
  - swed420 9mo ago
    No. Pre-Musk twitter was a liberal cesspool (and now it's a conservative one). Most of those liberals jumped ship to Bluesky. Again, that's not to say lefists don't exist, but they are a tiny fraction, and always were a tiny fraction no matter what platform. Don't rule out bots that exist in numbers to make the actual left appear like a deranged spectacle as a form of controlled opposition. Both parties of capital interests have a role in and benefit from these.

frumplestlatz 9mo ago

> Good they moderate. I can moderate my own feed -- the majority of people don't need, want, or enjoy an overtly paternalistic hugbox, and especially if moderation tends to be unidirectionally skewed in one political direction. It's not surprising that growth is slow.

SketchySeaBeast 9mo ago
On one side, sure, there's "overly paternalistic" moderation, but, on the other, there's AI powered revenge porn running rampant, so I'd argue there should be at least some moderation.
- frumplestlatz 9mo ago
  Calling a juvenile bikini edit "AI-powered revenge porn" is incorrect by definition. Revenge porn involves the non-consensual distribution of real, explicit sexual imagery of an identifiable person with the intent to cause harm. Lumping sophomoric image edits into that category is exactly the kind of moral and definitional inflation being actively used to manufacture pretext for suppressing speech under the guise of "moderation."
  - SketchySeaBeast 9mo ago
    You're right, we must be accurate in our terms, but that misclassifcation isn't worse than the act itself. The generation of deepfake non-consensual sexual images isn't revenge porn, because the woman in the image didn't even given initial consent. It being used to harass women is still a problem and is the sort of thing that requires moderation. It's not "sophomoric", it's exploitative and, in some states, illegal.
    - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
      You’ve agreed this isn’t revenge porn. The case for moderation must stand or fall under the correct classification. Harm has not been demonstrated. Annoyance or offense is not injury, and discomfort is not exploitation. Without evidence of systematic, material harm -- and without showing that enforcement would not introduce greater error and speech suppression -- the justification for moderation fails. Vague claims of illegality are irrelevant. A non-explicit image edit is not criminal in any US jurisdiction absent additional elements such as explicit sexual content, fraud, extortion, or targeted harassment; invoking “illegal in some states” -- without naming conduct and statute -- is just noise. "Put them in a bikini" is closer to low-effort mockery than to any recognized category of sexual harm. The level of alarm being applied here is grossly disproportionate to the act itself and is merely being used as a pretext for broader intervention.

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egorfine 9mo ago

> Good they moderate. I'm not sure about that. I'd rather decide for myself what I want to read and what I do not. I'd love to not delegate this important decision to corporate overlords.