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Why were you watching tv/sports on sunday anyway? Has the 8th commandment been changed?

sant0sk1 18y ago
I don't believe this is the forum for that discussion, but the Jewish Sabbath was never on Sunday. Sabbath means 7 (and rest), and Sunday has never been the 7th day of the week.
- exfswlkrji 18y ago
  If you are a christian the Council of Laodicea forbid you from keeping the sabbath on the same day as the Jews - it also forbade you from eating bagels, so you can probably ignore it. It is interesting that a christian was watching ads coverting their neighbours SUV on their sabbath - while complaining about someone mentioning tits.
  - sant0sk1 18y ago
    The "Council of Laodicea" has no bearing on Christian doctrine. Your response is what I feared might happen and why I stated that this forum isn't great. If you want to take this up out of band feel free to email me.
    - unalone 18y ago
      Then out of curiosity, why do Christians go to church on Sundays? I genuinely have never understood what led up to the day switch - I was born and raised Jewish.
      - sant0sk1 18y ago
        First, Christians do all sorts of things for the wrong reasons, its best to clear that first before trying to explain their actions. Second, Going to church on Sunday and believing Sunday to be a Sabbath day are two totally different things. In fact, keeping Sabbaths is not a Christian thing to do at all. Christians do it, but that's because they think they are (really, really want to be) Jews. Tons of the crazy stuff Christians do are because they try to adopt little pieces of the Jewish economy (10 commandments, feast days, sabbaths, etc, etc,). I don't know when/why Sunday became the de facto day for Christian church-going, but I can answer for myself, that I attend church on Sundays because it is the most convenient day (where I live) to do so. I don't regard it higher than any other day of the week (ok, maybe Monday ;).
        zdflemin 18y ago
        Sunday is the day on which Christ rose from the dead. See Matthew 28 (http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+28&src=esv.org http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+28&src=esv.or...) Christians meet on Sunday to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus. At least that is my understanding.
        tptacek 18y ago
        Catholics meet on Sunday to give God his due, as he demanded in the Ten Commandments. Jesus is God, and is an intrinsic part of that ceremony. I'm not sure Jesus rising from the dead is what makes Sunday the issue. Catholics are explicitly, overtly allowed to work on Sunday. It is, however, a venal sin to work on Sunday (a) at the expense of worship and reverence (in other words, don't skip Mass) and (b) when you had a reasonable option not to. Five generations of American Catholic men appear to have established the convention that Sunday afternoon football incurs minimal expense to revering Jesus.
        zdflemin 18y ago
        Protestants would agree on the work thing. After all we have pastors don't we? I am really interested to hear an expansion of what you mean by "give God his due, as he demanded in the Ten Commandments." I am not sure which you are referring to, but that is probably my own ignorance of such things. Also we protestants like Sunday football too. Not me personally, but that comes from not growing up in the US. :)
        chris11 18y ago
        Basically, the Sabbath was moved for marketing purposes. The Council of Laodicea in 364 ordered all religious festivals to Sunday, not Saturday. There were a few reasons for this. One, Rome was mostly a pagan country, and most pagan religions reserved Sunday as a religious holiday. So the change would have helped convert pagans, and keep Christians in the church. Two, it differentiated the Christians from the Jews, and the Jews were being persecuted in Rome them. And the Roman emperor Constantine declared Sunday to be a day of rest in 321. Most of the biblical emphasis a Sunday sabbath comes from the fact that Easter was celebrated on Sunday, and a few verses saying that religious holiday observance didn't matter.Some Catholic Catechisms mentions that there is no biblical support for a sabbath on Sunday, and justify it by saying that the church has the authority to change religious holidays. I'm not sure if this is atypical compared to most catechisms, I am not very familiar with Catholic theology. Explanation for change:http://www.religioustolerance.org/sabbath.htm http://www.religioustolerance.org/sabbath.htm Catholic Catechism excerpts: http://www.biblestudy.org/godsrest/catholic-protestant-confessions-about-bible-sabbath.html http://www.biblestudy.org/godsrest/catholic-protestant-confe... The site is definitely biased, but it has a nice collection of excepts from christian and catholic doctrines.
  - tptacek 18y ago
    Always nice to see people try to reduce incredibly complex phenomenon --- like Roman and Orthodox Catholic canon law and its relationship to modern Christianity in all its forms, from Unitarianism to Mormonism --- to a single cherry-picked Wikipedia article. Well played, sir!
    - mrtron 18y ago
      One of the simplest but most complex religious concepts is hats. Christians say no hats for men, hats for women, but special men can wear special hats. Jews say no hats for women, but hats for men. That is the tip of the iceberg, hats play a major role in many forms of worship. I don't think a single Wikipedia article could contain the hat concept alone, let alone your example.
      - tptacek 18y ago
        Unitarians don't care what hats you wear. It's the word "christians" in these sentences that gets us into trouble.
callmeed 18y ago
Is watching sports labor of some sort? The sabbath (whatever day you observe it) is for resting from work. Sometimes I rest by watching sports, sometimes I sit in my hammock, sometimes I go snowboarding. And, yes, if one of my servers crashed on the sabbath, I will work on it. This explains it better than I can: http://tinyurl.com/cjqf2q http://tinyurl.com/cjqf2q
- ijntybvrt 18y ago
  Did you switch on the TV on shabbos?

I don't believe this is the forum for that discussion, but the Jewish Sabbath was never on Sunday. Sabbath means 7 (and rest), and Sunday has never been the 7th day of the week.

exfswlkrji 18y ago
If you are a christian the Council of Laodicea forbid you from keeping the sabbath on the same day as the Jews - it also forbade you from eating bagels, so you can probably ignore it. It is interesting that a christian was watching ads coverting their neighbours SUV on their sabbath - while complaining about someone mentioning tits.
- sant0sk1 18y ago
  The "Council of Laodicea" has no bearing on Christian doctrine. Your response is what I feared might happen and why I stated that this forum isn't great. If you want to take this up out of band feel free to email me.
  - unalone 18y ago
    Then out of curiosity, why do Christians go to church on Sundays? I genuinely have never understood what led up to the day switch - I was born and raised Jewish.
    - sant0sk1 18y ago
      First, Christians do all sorts of things for the wrong reasons, its best to clear that first before trying to explain their actions. Second, Going to church on Sunday and believing Sunday to be a Sabbath day are two totally different things. In fact, keeping Sabbaths is not a Christian thing to do at all. Christians do it, but that's because they think they are (really, really want to be) Jews. Tons of the crazy stuff Christians do are because they try to adopt little pieces of the Jewish economy (10 commandments, feast days, sabbaths, etc, etc,). I don't know when/why Sunday became the de facto day for Christian church-going, but I can answer for myself, that I attend church on Sundays because it is the most convenient day (where I live) to do so. I don't regard it higher than any other day of the week (ok, maybe Monday ;).
      - zdflemin 18y ago
        Sunday is the day on which Christ rose from the dead. See Matthew 28 (http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+28&src=esv.org http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+28&src=esv.or...) Christians meet on Sunday to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus. At least that is my understanding.
        tptacek 18y ago
        Catholics meet on Sunday to give God his due, as he demanded in the Ten Commandments. Jesus is God, and is an intrinsic part of that ceremony. I'm not sure Jesus rising from the dead is what makes Sunday the issue. Catholics are explicitly, overtly allowed to work on Sunday. It is, however, a venal sin to work on Sunday (a) at the expense of worship and reverence (in other words, don't skip Mass) and (b) when you had a reasonable option not to. Five generations of American Catholic men appear to have established the convention that Sunday afternoon football incurs minimal expense to revering Jesus.
        zdflemin 18y ago
        Protestants would agree on the work thing. After all we have pastors don't we? I am really interested to hear an expansion of what you mean by "give God his due, as he demanded in the Ten Commandments." I am not sure which you are referring to, but that is probably my own ignorance of such things. Also we protestants like Sunday football too. Not me personally, but that comes from not growing up in the US. :)
      - chris11 18y ago
        Basically, the Sabbath was moved for marketing purposes. The Council of Laodicea in 364 ordered all religious festivals to Sunday, not Saturday. There were a few reasons for this. One, Rome was mostly a pagan country, and most pagan religions reserved Sunday as a religious holiday. So the change would have helped convert pagans, and keep Christians in the church. Two, it differentiated the Christians from the Jews, and the Jews were being persecuted in Rome them. And the Roman emperor Constantine declared Sunday to be a day of rest in 321. Most of the biblical emphasis a Sunday sabbath comes from the fact that Easter was celebrated on Sunday, and a few verses saying that religious holiday observance didn't matter.Some Catholic Catechisms mentions that there is no biblical support for a sabbath on Sunday, and justify it by saying that the church has the authority to change religious holidays. I'm not sure if this is atypical compared to most catechisms, I am not very familiar with Catholic theology. Explanation for change:http://www.religioustolerance.org/sabbath.htm http://www.religioustolerance.org/sabbath.htm Catholic Catechism excerpts: http://www.biblestudy.org/godsrest/catholic-protestant-confessions-about-bible-sabbath.html http://www.biblestudy.org/godsrest/catholic-protestant-confe... The site is definitely biased, but it has a nice collection of excepts from christian and catholic doctrines.
- tptacek 18y ago
  Always nice to see people try to reduce incredibly complex phenomenon --- like Roman and Orthodox Catholic canon law and its relationship to modern Christianity in all its forms, from Unitarianism to Mormonism --- to a single cherry-picked Wikipedia article. Well played, sir!
  - mrtron 18y ago
    One of the simplest but most complex religious concepts is hats. Christians say no hats for men, hats for women, but special men can wear special hats. Jews say no hats for women, but hats for men. That is the tip of the iceberg, hats play a major role in many forms of worship. I don't think a single Wikipedia article could contain the hat concept alone, let alone your example.
    - tptacek 18y ago
      Unitarians don't care what hats you wear. It's the word "christians" in these sentences that gets us into trouble.

callmeed 18y ago

Is watching sports labor of some sort? The sabbath (whatever day you observe it) is for resting from work. Sometimes I rest by watching sports, sometimes I sit in my hammock, sometimes I go snowboarding. And, yes, if one of my servers crashed on the sabbath, I will work on it. This explains it better than I can: http://tinyurl.com/cjqf2q http://tinyurl.com/cjqf2q

ijntybvrt 18y ago
Did you switch on the TV on shabbos?